(January 22, 2013 at 9:26 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: To have a rationally based positive belief that universal goodness prevails.
Keep going. Could you also define what you mean by "universal goodness?" It's not a term I can intuit into just one definition, after all. Celi certainly couldn't.
As to hope... I think there's a fundamental disconnect between what you're thinking of and what we atheists are. To you, to any theist, hope is something objective; you've got your afterlife, where you assume you'll be eternally rewarded. That's fine, but you're drawing your hope from some other place, some other being you feel exists. Your hope exists outside of you.
To me, hope is something personal and subjective. I've got hopes, for my future, the people around me, even just in terms of what I want for lunch. Some of these are deeply held dreams for my future, and the source of the desire and joy in them that I'd need to achieve them. But I also have expectations that at least a few of these hopes might not get resolved. That's only rational- I'm just one guy, after all- but the fact that I recognize I'm living in a world that owes me nothing doesn't make my hope and meaning in life illegitimate, or any less powerful than the theist who feels he's been hand created by a deity.
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee
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