RE: The logical consequences of omnipotence
January 24, 2013 at 3:30 pm
(This post was last modified: January 24, 2013 at 3:48 pm by Celi.)
(January 24, 2013 at 1:46 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:You said I was 'ignorant of the facts'. Then when I refuted that claim, you said that I had the information but didn't understand it--and then justified your calling me ignorant by saying that I lacked 'knowledge'. So yes, you did say that, between saying two other things that contradict it.(January 24, 2013 at 10:42 am)Celi Wrote: You acknowledge that I have the information, but then say that I'm still ignorant because I don't have the knowledge.No. You have the information, but you don't understand it, is what I actually said. You have a problem understanding that??
This is what happens when you defend your belief by rationalizing it rather than actually thinking about it rationally. You get arguments that contradict each other and only make sense to yourself.
Quote:No. You're position is logical. Everything has to add up in your mind or you'd have some serious conflict going on. If you see 3 balls, your logical conclusion would be that there are 3 balls. If, looking at the same scene, I see 5 balls... My logical conclusion would be that there are 5 balls. Two balls are obscured from where you are standing. Logical conclusion in this instance is a matter of perspective. Both of us are right > from our own perspective.You realize I could say the exact same about you, right? We have the same infomation, but we come to different conclusions. You say that I don't understand the facts, which here means that I am wrong in my interpretation of them. I, believing that I am right and that you aren't, could say that you're the one who doesn't understand the information. See how that works? All it really means is 'I think you're wrong'. As I mentioned before, an atheist and a theist are obviously both going to think each other wrong, but unless you actually present your claims and reasoning/evidence for them, there's no point in having an argument. You've taken every opportunity to avoid that, ignoring most of my requests for you to clarify your vague and/or incomprehennsible posts, opting instead to alternately insult me and atheists in general and accuse me of intolerance/dogmatism.
Quote:This was your own invention? I see. I thought you were addressing Christianity. Apologies.At this point, I'm fairly sure you're being disingenuous about this. I've explained that sentence several times, and if you're really still misinterpreting it that badly, I'm not going to bother with it anymore.