(January 26, 2013 at 7:55 am)Esquilax Wrote: It honestly feels like I'm missing something here, but for the life of me I can't put my finger on what.I've felt like that for the several days/pages I've spent in this thread arguing with this guy, but the more he talks, the more I think his utter conviction and constant consternation at how we don't get it just make it seem that way, when really what he's saying just doesn't make sense.
(January 26, 2013 at 8:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I grew up without religion. My parents weren't interested in religion at all really. My mum reasoned against God. I objected when they sent me to Sunday school so they stopped sending me.No, I can't 'access' your worldview. I don't want to, either, because it makes zero sense and there would be no benefits even if I could force myself to believe it. Maybe with you, what you're saying is true. Maybe you were miserable and never cared about being decent to other people until you became religious. Religion can do that sometimes. But most people can be decent and happy without your beliefs, and it's astoundingly arrogant of you to pity us or assume moral superiority over us just because you have to delude yourself to find happiness.
I was introduced to it in my mid 20s. That lasted a few years then I deconverted. A few years back I reconverted. I've been atheist for the vast majority if my life.
As a non Christian you lose it. You cannot rationalise a just reality made possible with God without God.
Belief makes it possible, but in the end we're all human and subject to the same forces.
So while someone who believes and has access to a better reality, they always have the choice to reject it. I reject it all the time.
If you don't believe, you never have access to that world view.