RE: The logical consequences of omnipotence
January 26, 2013 at 3:31 pm
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2013 at 8:55 pm by Cinjin.)
Although many christians still subscribe to the long-upheld view of the all-powerful all-knowing god, I know many christians who have since dumbed him down a bit due mostly to the content of the Bible.
If god is perfect how can he change his mind? Shouldn't his choices always be perfect?
If god knew everything why did he bother creating us?
If god can read minds ....... etc etc etc. You get the idea.
For me the fact that he is not all-knowing and omnipotent only serves to further unmask the story.
Working on the assumption that the christian god is not all-powerful and all-knowing:
One has to look first to the fall of Lucifer. Long before mankind was walking around having unmarried sex with their family members, Lucifer was plotting to overthrow the big man himself. Since we're assuming that this was possible because god didn't know what he was thinking, or for that matter what a billion other angels were thinking, it would seem highly plausible, even likely, that this or a "fall" similar to it could happen again.
You see, even if god knows a million times more than any other being in the universe, it pales in comparison to the actions of billions upon billions of souls of which he cannot predict. Even the angels have free will (even if they can never have that coveted conditional love Drich is always talking about) [insert massive eyeroll here] and have clearly made use of it. If you can't read people's minds and know all the future possible outcomes than you can't guarantee eternity.
For all we know, this (the human race, the fall and all the bull shit) has all happened before.
What's to stop another angel from becoming complacent, jealous, and power hungry after everyone's been sucked up into Heaven? What's to stop a soul in Heaven from getting bored and trying to undermine the system?? Answer: Nothing. In fact, if god is not all powerful, I would wager every dime I have that at least a few dozen of the billions will use his or her free will to cause yet another fall - or at least some kind of version of it.
Imagine you're in heaven for a trillion years ... it seems pretty damn likely that somebody's going to go and throw a wrench in it. An angel with a chip on his shoulder or a bored human? Possibly an alliance between both? Maybe one of Lucifer's spies will break him outta hell? I know to a christard it seems far-fetched but to us intelligent people, they're right in context with the rest of insane story. If you can believe in the original fall of Lucifer, talking snakes, dirt men, burning bushes, the walking dead, and an infinite universe created in mere days than this should all seem very probable.
Hell for all we know, we've been in an infinite loop for all time. We fall, god saves a few, kills most of us, gives a phony eternal guarantee and then does the whole thing again. In the end it's a bit ironic: an omnipotent god is contradictory to their Bible and only an impotent god satisfactorily explains the current system of eternity, souls, and the whereabouts of a missing messiah.
ewuhh - [shakes it all off] Thank you common sense. I wish you were available for everyone.
If god is perfect how can he change his mind? Shouldn't his choices always be perfect?
If god knew everything why did he bother creating us?
If god can read minds ....... etc etc etc. You get the idea.
For me the fact that he is not all-knowing and omnipotent only serves to further unmask the story.
Working on the assumption that the christian god is not all-powerful and all-knowing:
One has to look first to the fall of Lucifer. Long before mankind was walking around having unmarried sex with their family members, Lucifer was plotting to overthrow the big man himself. Since we're assuming that this was possible because god didn't know what he was thinking, or for that matter what a billion other angels were thinking, it would seem highly plausible, even likely, that this or a "fall" similar to it could happen again.
You see, even if god knows a million times more than any other being in the universe, it pales in comparison to the actions of billions upon billions of souls of which he cannot predict. Even the angels have free will (even if they can never have that coveted conditional love Drich is always talking about) [insert massive eyeroll here] and have clearly made use of it. If you can't read people's minds and know all the future possible outcomes than you can't guarantee eternity.
For all we know, this (the human race, the fall and all the bull shit) has all happened before.
What's to stop another angel from becoming complacent, jealous, and power hungry after everyone's been sucked up into Heaven? What's to stop a soul in Heaven from getting bored and trying to undermine the system?? Answer: Nothing. In fact, if god is not all powerful, I would wager every dime I have that at least a few dozen of the billions will use his or her free will to cause yet another fall - or at least some kind of version of it.
Imagine you're in heaven for a trillion years ... it seems pretty damn likely that somebody's going to go and throw a wrench in it. An angel with a chip on his shoulder or a bored human? Possibly an alliance between both? Maybe one of Lucifer's spies will break him outta hell? I know to a christard it seems far-fetched but to us intelligent people, they're right in context with the rest of insane story. If you can believe in the original fall of Lucifer, talking snakes, dirt men, burning bushes, the walking dead, and an infinite universe created in mere days than this should all seem very probable.
Hell for all we know, we've been in an infinite loop for all time. We fall, god saves a few, kills most of us, gives a phony eternal guarantee and then does the whole thing again. In the end it's a bit ironic: an omnipotent god is contradictory to their Bible and only an impotent god satisfactorily explains the current system of eternity, souls, and the whereabouts of a missing messiah.
ewuhh - [shakes it all off] Thank you common sense. I wish you were available for everyone.
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