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I am so glad you said that, Drich. Because the very first reply you ever wrote to me, back when I'd just started out in this forum, was this: [quote/]
[quote]What is so hard to understand about how the bible was compiled? Two distinct religions are being repersented by one book. Anything OT was written to Old testament Jews. The New testament was written to Christianity.
This means if you are having a Christian conversation you must look between the Book of Matthew and the book of Jude to define Christian commands. As Leviticus is an OT book it those commands were written to OT Jews. Even Modern Jews do not follow all of those commands anymore.[/quote]
[quote]So! Were you lying then, or were you lying just now?[/quote]-or- you still do not understand the differences between OT Judaism, and NT Christianity.
[quote] Either the rules regarding the bible changed, or they did not: when were you a hypocrite, here?[/quote]Nothing in the Law has Changed. Now ask then why are things different if nothing Changed.
(Because it is obvious that you do not know the difference between OT Judiaism and NT Christianity not how to reconsile the differences between the two) I say two because they are indeed two seperate religious expressions in an attempt to worship the same God.
[quote]Well, one of us certainly is...[/quote]Yes and I can support with scripture (if you like) that you have been accuratly identified as that person.
[quote]Oh, so what makes their understanding of god "god's law" but mine some kind of flawed thing? Is it because I disagree with you? Or are you just making it up as you go along?[/quote] They had Two stone tablets God carved out with His own hand and a Prophet who weilded the power of God, and Spoke for God, to His people directly.
You have 4th grade Sunday school understanding of one specific denomination's doctrine, which makes no claims (The denomination) to being derived completely from the bible. This denomination openly gets it's doctrine from a presession of men who take turns wearing a funny hat.
That is the difference is between you and the Israelites wandering the desert.
[quote]Despite the next arguement you are brewing up, understand and accept this has already happened twice in the history of man. NOTHING you can say will change this, [/quote]
[quote]Wow, okay, apparently you don't get this: I'm an atheist. I don't think that anyone has ever had proof of the existence of god. Ever. [/quote] Again open your bible and Read The last part of Genesis and exodus. These people had absolute proof of God.
And in Christiandom from about the 12th to the 15th century, The "Proof" that they had would most definatly not have passed for proof to day, but for those people it was absolute. Otherwise the people would rise up and break the authority and rule of the controling church. (which is exactly what happened when the "proof" was questioned and found to be wanting) But durning that time period those people lived under what they 'knew' to be absolute proof of God. Now all their is to do, is to look at the results of how humanity works under 'absolute proof of God' First with the Jews and the in Christianity. For either one, the results are the same.
History records what absolute unchecked 'proof' of God does to the human soul. So why would any of you people ask for it again? Are you simply ignorant of history? or do you truly believe it would be different for you, that you are not some backwards bronze or middle age dummy? If the later then know that what my capital punishment question was about. To show you that you would be a slave to the popular culture as you are now... (you should be able to connect the dots from here)
[quote]Fuck off, you supercilious prick.
And in a less mean spirited way: nonviolent protest was enough for Ghandi, speeches were enough for Martin Luther King... the world can change through nonviolence, Drich. [/quote]
Red Herring. I never said they weren't ways to change the world. What you seem to not understand is if one could stand in line some where and physically visit Heaven and see Hell even if their were no direct contact with anyone on the otherside, (outside of what has been written but could see all that went on) We would not want to make those changes. 'we' would do everything in our power to strictly follow the law of God, and/or fill in our own short commings with things like pergatory, indulgences, or just turn a blind eye to our sin. Historically this is what happened, so again no arguement can be made against these facts.
That is why God only gives 'proof' to those who seek it, and then only as much as needed to establish and maintain one's faith. That said if we are faithful with very little He will double our measure, and so on it goes until faith becomes our reality.
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If you want to be a sociopathic thug who thinks violence is the only way to accomplish anything, fine. I suppose once again I've proven I'm morally more consistent and kind hearted than you.
What a surprise.[/quote]
Now you have made a left turn from a Red herring, and gone full on straw man.
I was laughing at your "bible endorses viloence" comment, because it was Christ who commanded us to turn the other cheek. It was Christ's example of this that had Him beaten and nailed to a cross. This example did not stop with Him all but one of the apstoles met a similar fate. You're projecting non scriptural violence onto Christianity. That was what was so funny. That is why I said "turn the other cheek.." But I guess you missed that sunday school lesson.
I am so glad you said that, Drich. Because the very first reply you ever wrote to me, back when I'd just started out in this forum, was this: [quote/]
[quote]What is so hard to understand about how the bible was compiled? Two distinct religions are being repersented by one book. Anything OT was written to Old testament Jews. The New testament was written to Christianity.
This means if you are having a Christian conversation you must look between the Book of Matthew and the book of Jude to define Christian commands. As Leviticus is an OT book it those commands were written to OT Jews. Even Modern Jews do not follow all of those commands anymore.[/quote]
[quote]So! Were you lying then, or were you lying just now?[/quote]-or- you still do not understand the differences between OT Judaism, and NT Christianity.
[quote] Either the rules regarding the bible changed, or they did not: when were you a hypocrite, here?[/quote]Nothing in the Law has Changed. Now ask then why are things different if nothing Changed.
(Because it is obvious that you do not know the difference between OT Judiaism and NT Christianity not how to reconsile the differences between the two) I say two because they are indeed two seperate religious expressions in an attempt to worship the same God.
[quote]Well, one of us certainly is...[/quote]Yes and I can support with scripture (if you like) that you have been accuratly identified as that person.
[quote]Oh, so what makes their understanding of god "god's law" but mine some kind of flawed thing? Is it because I disagree with you? Or are you just making it up as you go along?[/quote] They had Two stone tablets God carved out with His own hand and a Prophet who weilded the power of God, and Spoke for God, to His people directly.
You have 4th grade Sunday school understanding of one specific denomination's doctrine, which makes no claims (The denomination) to being derived completely from the bible. This denomination openly gets it's doctrine from a presession of men who take turns wearing a funny hat.
That is the difference is between you and the Israelites wandering the desert.
[quote]Despite the next arguement you are brewing up, understand and accept this has already happened twice in the history of man. NOTHING you can say will change this, [/quote]
[quote]Wow, okay, apparently you don't get this: I'm an atheist. I don't think that anyone has ever had proof of the existence of god. Ever. [/quote] Again open your bible and Read The last part of Genesis and exodus. These people had absolute proof of God.
And in Christiandom from about the 12th to the 15th century, The "Proof" that they had would most definatly not have passed for proof to day, but for those people it was absolute. Otherwise the people would rise up and break the authority and rule of the controling church. (which is exactly what happened when the "proof" was questioned and found to be wanting) But durning that time period those people lived under what they 'knew' to be absolute proof of God. Now all their is to do, is to look at the results of how humanity works under 'absolute proof of God' First with the Jews and the in Christianity. For either one, the results are the same.
History records what absolute unchecked 'proof' of God does to the human soul. So why would any of you people ask for it again? Are you simply ignorant of history? or do you truly believe it would be different for you, that you are not some backwards bronze or middle age dummy? If the later then know that what my capital punishment question was about. To show you that you would be a slave to the popular culture as you are now... (you should be able to connect the dots from here)
[quote]Fuck off, you supercilious prick.
And in a less mean spirited way: nonviolent protest was enough for Ghandi, speeches were enough for Martin Luther King... the world can change through nonviolence, Drich. [/quote]
Red Herring. I never said they weren't ways to change the world. What you seem to not understand is if one could stand in line some where and physically visit Heaven and see Hell even if their were no direct contact with anyone on the otherside, (outside of what has been written but could see all that went on) We would not want to make those changes. 'we' would do everything in our power to strictly follow the law of God, and/or fill in our own short commings with things like pergatory, indulgences, or just turn a blind eye to our sin. Historically this is what happened, so again no arguement can be made against these facts.
That is why God only gives 'proof' to those who seek it, and then only as much as needed to establish and maintain one's faith. That said if we are faithful with very little He will double our measure, and so on it goes until faith becomes our reality.
[quote]
If you want to be a sociopathic thug who thinks violence is the only way to accomplish anything, fine. I suppose once again I've proven I'm morally more consistent and kind hearted than you.
What a surprise.[/quote]
Now you have made a left turn from a Red herring, and gone full on straw man.
I was laughing at your "bible endorses viloence" comment, because it was Christ who commanded us to turn the other cheek. It was Christ's example of this that had Him beaten and nailed to a cross. This example did not stop with Him all but one of the apstoles met a similar fate. You're projecting non scriptural violence onto Christianity. That was what was so funny. That is why I said "turn the other cheek.." But I guess you missed that sunday school lesson.
