Another law thread

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-or- you still do not understand the differences between OT Judaism, and NT Christianity.

Oh, I understand that you've deluded yourself into thinking that's an answer to anything.

Nothing in the Law has Changed. Now ask then why are things different if nothing Changed.
(Because it is obvious that you do not know the difference between OT Judiaism and NT Christianity not how to reconsile the differences between the two) I say two because they are indeed two seperate religious expressions in an attempt to worship the same God.

Nah, I gotcha: the law hasn't changed except where the law has changed. Because the ten commandments you're so fond of come from the old testament, as does any exhortation to persecute the gays, but your church is still right there with that.

We have always been at war with Eurasia.

Yes and I can support with scripture (if you like) that you have been accuratly identified as that person.

I'm just impressed either of us is identified by name in the scriptures!

They had Two stone tablets God carved out with His own hand and a Prophet who weilded the power of God, and Spoke for God, to His people directly.

You have 4th grade Sunday school understanding of one specific denomination's doctrine, which makes no claims (The denomination) to being derived completely from the bible. This denomination openly gets it's doctrine from a presession of men who take turns wearing a funny hat.

That is the difference is between you and the Israelites wandering the desert.

I gotcha: they were credulous simpletons who fell for a guy claiming to have divine influence because he carved some rocks, and I don't understand your religion because I disagree with your (flawed, apologist) version of it, that's not even represented in your own holy texts.

Because it's not really that I don't understand christianity, is it? It's that I don't understand the imaginary version of it you've built up in your head.

Despite the next arguement you are brewing up, understand and accept this has already happened twice in the history of man. NOTHING you can say will change this,

Again open your bible and Read The last part of Genesis and exodus. These people had absolute proof of God.

And in Christiandom from about the 12th to the 15th century, The "Proof" that they had would most definatly not have passed for proof to day, but for those people it was absolute. Otherwise the people would rise up and break the authority and rule of the controling church. (which is exactly what happened when the "proof" was questioned and found to be wanting) But durning that time period those people lived under what they 'knew' to be absolute proof of God. Now all their is to do, is to look at the results of how humanity works under 'absolute proof of God' First with the Jews and the in Christianity. For either one, the results are the same.

History records what absolute unchecked 'proof' of God does to the human soul. So why would any of you people ask for it again? Are you simply ignorant of history? or do you truly believe it would be different for you, that you are not some backwards bronze or middle age dummy? If the later then know that what my capital punishment question was about. To show you that you would be a slave to the popular culture as you are now... (you should be able to connect the dots from here)

Oh fuck, that has been your argument since day one?? Ha!

So, basically, your argument here is that the adherents of your religion are untrustworthy, bluster-filled violent thugs when given any kind of power, and that to you is compelling reasoning not to find proof of god?

Fuck, maybe god should just prove himself to atheists, then. We'd obviously do so much better than the religious at guarding that truth...

Red Herring. I never said they weren't ways to change the world.

No, you just derided my attempts to. Very classy.

What you seem to not understand is if one could stand in line some where and physically visit Heaven and see Hell even if their were no direct contact with anyone on the otherside, (outside of what has been written but could see all that went on) We would not want to make those changes. 'we' would do everything in our power to strictly follow the law of God, and/or fill in our own short commings with things like pergatory, indulgences, or just turn a blind eye to our sin. Historically this is what happened, so again no arguement can be made against these facts.

You underestimate the character of Man. We are far nobler than your bible would have us believe.

Now you have made a left turn from a Red herring, and gone full on straw man.

I was laughing at your "bible endorses viloence" comment, because it was Christ who commanded us to turn the other cheek. It was Christ's example of this that had Him beaten and nailed to a cross. This example did not stop with Him all but one of the apstoles met a similar fate. You're projecting non scriptural violence onto Christianity. That was what was so funny. That is why I said "turn the other cheek.." But I guess you missed that sunday school lesson.

Non scriptural violence like Jesus very much not turning the other cheek and driving the moneylenders out of their temple with a scourge he made himself?

Non scriptural violence like that?

It's very easy to see no violence in the scripture if you're content to ignore any violence in the scriptures. But some of us prefer to look at your religion, rather than the confabulation you've made up to replace it in your head.