RE: Bad Science Almost Imposing Restrictive Laws
January 28, 2013 at 10:31 pm
(This post was last modified: January 28, 2013 at 10:46 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Yes, Aract, I'm having an argument over whether or not the earth has a greenhouse effect, and whether or not we are dumping metric shitloads of greenhouse gas into the atmosphere exacerbating this effect. Do you know why? Because that's one portion of what AGW -is-. It's not the doomsday models, it's not the political agenda. For one shining moment it seemed like we might find some common ground as you seem to be in opposition to the models, the agenda - but then - if I'm reading you correctly, you casually mentioned that you just don't see how it's possible to achieve or enhance the greenhouse effect using trace gas? Being that the trace gas in question is a greenhouse gas - which has been demonstrably shown (in principle, in the lab, in commercial application, in environmental sciences - there is no dispute as to what greenhouse gas does - none- it's settled) to have such an effect- I'm at a loss to explain this to you in any other way.....
Regardless of whether or not the earth is in a natural warming cycle - the greenhouse effect will be -in effect-. Enhancing this effect in any way (like, say, dumping metric shitloads of greenhouse gas into the atmosphere) means that we are responsible for this portion of whatever warming we experience. It does not mean that the models you see are accurate. It does not mean that the legislation you see is prudent. It would be dismally easy to discredit this, all we have to do is pump a dense amount of greenhouse gas into an area and observe a cooling in temperature (won't happen). All we have to do is observe a mechanism operating here on the earth counteracting the effect (like Lindzens iris) - hasn't happened.
Regardless of whether or not the earth is in a natural warming cycle - the greenhouse effect will be -in effect-. Enhancing this effect in any way (like, say, dumping metric shitloads of greenhouse gas into the atmosphere) means that we are responsible for this portion of whatever warming we experience. It does not mean that the models you see are accurate. It does not mean that the legislation you see is prudent. It would be dismally easy to discredit this, all we have to do is pump a dense amount of greenhouse gas into an area and observe a cooling in temperature (won't happen). All we have to do is observe a mechanism operating here on the earth counteracting the effect (like Lindzens iris) - hasn't happened.
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