(January 30, 2013 at 6:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: & how do you show that God isn't capable of everything?
I'll quote myself, here:
If God is forced to conform to logical rules, who made those rules, and what force compels even God to act within them? If you believe that our universe must have had a creator (because 'random chance' couldn't have done it), you logically have to believe that an even higher being made the rules God has to follow. This, of course, leads either to infinite regress, or to an assertion that God made rules even he cannot break, which is the ultimate expression of the "rock God can't lift".
Perhaps the simplest and most vital reason to believe in God is that there is no higher, more powerful, being to worship. The problem is, if God is subject to any limits he cannot overcome, including the limit of 'logically possible', then he cannot be the most powerful thing in existence. Logic must be more powerful than God. And, we are left to wonder where logic comes from? Is God subject to the same dumb natural forces a secularist already believes are responsible for the universe, or is there a being even higher than God?
In either case, there's no justification for worshiping Yahweh. Either he doesn't exist, or he's merely the next step up from us in a virtually infinite hierarchy (all of which themselves would suffer from the infinite regress argument; why worship any of them, either?).
Quote:Next, how do you show that this reality isn't perfect from God's perspective?
1. If a perfect being believes something is perfect, it should not be possible for us lesser beings to disagree.
2. That God has changed his mind on several occasions proves that he, himself, has seen ways to improve on reality by whatever standard he has set, even if it is in small ways.
3. That God claims to hate evil and wishes to eliminate it proves that he, himself, views creation as imperfect.
Quote:Next, how do you show that God intended this reality to be perfect?
If creation is not perfect but God is, that can only mean he intentionally made every flaw it has. If creation is not perfect and God is unhappy with this, it means he made mistakes and therefore cannot be perfect.