Quote:Not an insult an observation. Calling someone a fool now adays is often time considered an insult which has little meaning other than to lash out at someone. I call you a fool because your actions matched the actual defination. Your work lack any descernable judgment and makes little sense. You ignore established history in favor of a "because this is what I want to believe, because I said so." one can say that person
is lacking in common powers of understanding. which by defination makes Him a fool.
How is calling someone a fool (twice) showing yourself to be the example of humility? And how does his actions match the definition of a fool, I'd really like to know? How does he lack common powers of understanding if you are incomprehensible?
Quote:Proverbs 29:11 ESV / 111 helpful votes
A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back
Proverbs 14:7-9 ESV / 38 helpful votes
Leave the presence of a fool, for there you do not meet words of knowledge. The wisdom of the prudent is to discern his way, but the folly of fools is deceiving. Fools mock at the guilt offering, but the upright enjoy acceptance.
Having met the words of 'fools', do you not see sense and knowledge in their arguments? If not, why stay on the forum?
Quote:Titus 3:3 ESV / 18 helpful votes
For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another.
James 2:20-24 ESV / 17 helpful votes
Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?
If you're humble, you'd know you were or are a fool yourself and not call someone else such, whether you believe them to be a fool or not and whether you've conceded that fact yourself many times. I could
say I'm a bitch but still be a bitch by calling someone else a bitch but in the end all I'll be labeled as is a bitch. See?
Just the act of calling someone a fool in your position of 'representing' your religion, implies that you know what is not foolish and that you can represent such unfoolishness.
Quote:Proverbs 9:6-8 ESV
Leave your simple ways, and live, and walk in the way of insight.” Whoever corrects a scoffergets himself abuse, and he who reproves a wicked man incurs injury. Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you; reprove a wise man, and he will love you.
He is a very wise man, and you called him a fool when he has legitimate
concerns and points to make. Especially in this forum he's seen as wise because your belief system is minority here. So calling someone who speaks sense and understanding a fool in front of a bunch of people who see you as the fool, only confirms their beliefs.
Quote:We can look at this two ways. Christ's only physical act recorded in all for gospels is that He over turned
a few tables that theives were using to cheat people who were trying to make an offering to God.
Or we can point to the whip Christ fashioned and ask, is it not up to God to punish? i would like to think
Christ used that whip and a few of them were cut alittle past the quick as Christ ran them out.
Please explain to me how we can look at this 2 ways?
Quote:That's just it. "we" (Meaning all of us) Are not all Christ's/God's kids. Now ask yourself what if your kids were being subject to all manner of terriable things by people who were in the process of profiting off of
your kids pain? What would you do to these people/theives if your kids cried out to you in desperate pain?
I've looked it up, and websites do support your claim that the bible does not claim non-believers as children
of god. Surprising to me, as I was taught otherwise (hence the Jesus loves the little children of the world song
that I grew up with). So, I'll concede that those moneylenders were not children of god. Then superimposing our
analogy of "would I whip someone who was causing my children pain" and the answer is still no. I'd do
everything in my power to stop it nonviolently, but in the end I'd do everything in my power to prevent my
children and anyone elses' children for that matter, from being hurt. Your analogy confuses me however; as I
do not equate charging someone for a sacrificial animal in the house of their worship as 'invoking desperate
pain'.
Quote:And again, simply 'protesting' is not a sin. Sin equals death. If you are not willing to sin/commit a death
penality crime then you would sheep along like the rest in your soceity would. -or- Make an attempt to lower
the bar so your sins could be accepted.. Maybe you would do this through non violent protests..
What if I did sheep around the rest of my life? I'd still be put in hell yes? Yes. Before you go on to say that every sin is equal to death penalty in gods' eyes and hence requires eternal hell (whatever your definition) as a punishment, just know that I find the prospect of going to hell for something like lying, to be incredibly fucking stupid. Assume I do go to hell for something so trivial--for eternity? I don't want to know that god and would rather be in hell than know him.
Ps. Before you say I'm seeing red, and hence my argument is worthless, do think on this before you respond if you choose to respond. I'm within my right to feel you are wrong. Just because I speak it with conviction does not make my assertions any less credible.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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