(February 6, 2013 at 4:35 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: This is where I get all confused. How can you think god is just, if he sends people to hell? Before you answer that with we send ourselves to hell--I'm not sending myself to hell, he would be doing the sending. If I did get sent to hell, it'd be for something as trivial as lying or jealousy, as I am a good person without god. How can you say that god is qualified to judge if he is subject to his own faults of, say, jealousy--then sends me to hell for the same thing? The injustice of my treatment by him would still be there, even if he pulled me out of hell at some point (show me in the bible where it says that!).Hell is an embarrassment for modern day xtians, which is why it is now re-tuned, re-rationalized, re-interpreted to god separation from fiery, spiky, shit theme park. If your an xtian it is viewed as part of the joy and wonder of the greater understanding of the revelation of god through time. To non xtians it appears this shit is made up on the fly to mirror the zeitgeist or valid criticisms of the theology. Whatever your perspective the orthodox theology on this suggests that god is just ie will punish you for sin and has the right to judge, but offers mercy through the Jesus. The atheist perspective is that, this is incoherent because god could have materialized a world where beings freely choose to believe and not sin (see J L Mackie and Ray Bradley on this). There is no knock out blow for theism or atheism here it's just a running battle where both sides see there propositions as far more reasonable than the other side.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
