RE: Earth - Proof of God?
February 8, 2013 at 12:05 am
(This post was last modified: February 8, 2013 at 12:10 am by Drich.)
Drich Wrote:Sincerity has never once entered into a response when someone asks "why did I not find, when I asked."
Cinjin Wrote:Absurd statement. You cannot possibly prove or back up that assertion. Do you read minds? Do you read the minds of every person on earth? Do you alone somehow possess the powers of knowing when someone is being sincere?What I was saying was, That someone sincerity has nothing to do with whether or not they followed the directions of Christ.
Again one can be 100% genuine in their personal efforts, but still not follow the directions Christ Gave us. Hence the following response:
Quote:My only response to that question is to inturn ask: Did you do it God's way? or did you do it your way?
Quote:That question has no relevance, as the answer will only be met with your filthy excuses.It has 'no relevance' because you appearently do not understand the arguement.
Quote: The bible verse about seeking does not offer a disclaimer of how to actually seek.Not true, Read the story again. The Neighbor in Chirst story 'sought' with a persistent desperation.
Quote:You are the only slimy apologist putting qualifications on seeking god.I have given examples of what seeking looks like, in the end people seek with what they have avaiable. That's the thing about persistent desperation, it has one do whatever it takes to obtain one's goal.
Quote:Furthermore, how much of a first class A-hole is god that you have to also know the secret handshake, get the decoder ring and answer the seven riddles. Excuse after excuse. You have an endless supply of horse shit.lol, you are so dramatic.
God wants you to ask Him to open your Eyes, so you can see Him, Your ears so you can Hear him your Heart so you can feel love for Him and yes your mind so you can make sense of everything you will be bombarded with when you learn to see hear and feel for the first times.
He wants you to do whatever is in your power to make that happen. For most it means studies in forums lke this, and yes eventually church, but these are not thing that have to be done in a certain order or a certain way. He wants you to simply make the best effort you can to know Him and not a method or a mindless pattern of empty worship.
Then He simply asks that we do these things until, He mets us.
what is so hard about that?
Christ even illustrated this whole precept in a simple story. In it, the story demonstrates that we have this A/S/K ablity already programed into us, and we do it all the time when we want something that can only be given to us by another. God wants us to take this base instinct and apply it to Him.
Quote:Stupid analogy.I would most likly try and dismiss it as well by calling it or the author stupid, if I could not address it directly either.
Quote: Cleaning your room does not compare to saving ones eternal soul and it's insulting to the intelligence to even refute that turd you just laid.lol, but a story about a neighbor wanting bread from a sleeping neighbor is better? Like it or not the key to your 'proof' is indeed found in that story just like God is not going to reward a half assed effort if you have the oppertunity to do more. (wow that one hit close to home)
Quote:You're basically saying your god is an anal fucktard more concerned about pithy, pointless regulations.What is the other option? letting the inmates run free? rewarding undesirable behaivor with the bounty of Heaven? If you are a good parent and will not let your kid get away with similar behavior, then how much More is God to hold us responsiable to the one thing He has asked us to do?
Quote:The only thing you've succeed in saying with this entire post is that your god begrudgingly saves you. He doesn't actually want to, he just sorta HAS to and only if you jump through every hoop absolutely perfectly.How so? recap for me, because i do not see what you do.
(February 7, 2013 at 10:16 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:Did you knock?(Did you repeat your effort) Did God illuminate any unrepentant sins in your life that kept you from God? are you still knocking?(February 7, 2013 at 1:06 am)Drich Wrote: Not according to Christ. He said all one needs is the faith the size of a mustard seed, and God will move whatever is keeping you from belief if you simply Ask Him to.
In short you need just enough to start the ball rolling.
That's odd. Many years ago, I was a Christian. I wasn't raised a Christian, my parents were strictly secular - I came to it of my own accord when I was a young man. I had faith. I set aside my skepticism. I wanted to live in God's presence and glorify him.
I earnestly and humbly sought God, under the guidance of both my pastor and prayer group leader. They assured me, as you do, that if I did as as instructed in the bible (A/S/K), that I would find God as they had.
I did so for years, to the best of my ability. I found nothing.
I call bullshit.
(February 7, 2013 at 10:31 pm)Cinjin Wrote:You know if God stoped going to your church it means you don't have to go to that one either.(February 7, 2013 at 10:16 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: That's odd. Many years ago, I was a Christian. I wasn't raised a Christian, my parents were strictly secular - I came to it of my own accord when I was a young man. I had faith. I set aside my skepticism. I wanted to live in God's presence and glorify him.
I earnestly and humbly sought God, under the guidance of both my pastor and prayer group leader. They assured me, as you do, that if I did as as instructed in the bible (A/S/K), that I would find God as they had.
I did so for years, to the best of my ability. I found nothing.
I call bullshit.
Same here CD. 20 Years I tried to figure out why god was only talking to 3 or 4 of the entire congregation. I wanted so much to understand.
I second your bullshit and raise you a , "get fucked."