RE: Earth - Proof of God?
February 8, 2013 at 2:42 am
(This post was last modified: February 8, 2013 at 3:01 am by Drich.)
(February 8, 2013 at 12:19 am)Darkstar Wrote:This life is not about reward or punishment. It's about making a choice. Having sought God one's entire life is making that choice.(February 8, 2013 at 12:15 am)Drich Wrote: It probably went something like this: If you live a life seeking, and even if you do not find what others have found, then you would have lived a profitable life, and will be rewarded in the next.
Yeah, probably. Except the second part is only true if god exists, and the first is untrue regardless. How is spending your whole life seeking a god you can never find rewarding? I think it would be depressing...
(February 8, 2013 at 12:41 am)catfish Wrote:(February 8, 2013 at 12:15 am)Drich Wrote: and if "we all" don't? then what?
Drich, are you claiming the Bible is incorrect??? You gotta pick a stance here, all correct or not...
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Your begging the question rephrase.
(February 8, 2013 at 1:08 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Dozens if not hundreds of times over a period of years. I didn't seek God out of a desire to avoid divine retribution, I did so out of a desire to live righteously as God wanted.why?
Quote:Did you read what I wrote? Nothing was revealed to me.Did you own a bible durning this period? Did you read it? Did you have access to a church? Did you attend? Did you ask questions?
If you answered yes to any of these questions, then how can you say nothing was revealed? Even the most devout atheist see the bible as a list of sins. How can you read a bible and not see something your doing that would be identified as sin?
Quote:Oh, I tried to lead a righteous life. When I sinned, I prayed for forgiveness and did my best to learn from and not repeat my mistakes. I prayed for guidance to live righteously, at least daily.The understanding of sin is a revelation. So God did reveal something to you. Of your sins did one stand out? One you kept returning to? (I'm not asking for specifics just a yes or no will do)
Quote:What do you think? Hell, no.Did the guy in Jesus' story quit knocking before he got what he wanted?
If no, then how can you say you a/s/k like Luke 11 outlines?
Making an honest run (our way) at trying to reach out to God is not what He asked us to do. We truly only have one honest way of establishing and maintaining a relationship, and that is through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We have only been given one avenue to obtain a measure of the Holy Spirit, that is to a/s/k as out lined in Luke 11. If we do not seek out the Holy Spirit as instructed, then we are on our own to establish and maintain our own relationship with God. As All of you can attest this task is next to impossible even when done in groups.
(February 8, 2013 at 1:08 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Dozens if not hundreds of times over a period of years. I didn't seek God out of a desire to avoid divine retribution, I did so out of a desire to live righteously as God wanted.why?
Quote:Did you read what I wrote? Nothing was revealed to me.Did you own a bible durning this period? Did you read it? Did you have access to a church? Did you attend? Did you ask questions?
If you answered yes to any of these questions, then how can you say nothing was revealed? Even the most devout atheist see the bible as a list of sins. How can you read a bible and not see something your doing that would be identified as sin?
Quote:Oh, I tried to lead a righteous life. When I sinned, I prayed for forgiveness and did my best to learn from and not repeat my mistakes. I prayed for guidance to live righteously, at least daily.The understanding of sin is a revelation. So God did reveal something to you. Of your sins did one stand out? One you kept returning to? (I'm not asking for specifics just a yes or no will do)
Quote:What do you think? Hell, no.Did the guy in Jesus' story quit knocking before he got what he wanted?
If no, then how can you say you a/s/k like Luke 11 outlines?
Making an honest run (our way) at trying to reach out to God is not what He asked us to do. We truly only have one honest way of establishing and maintaining a relationship, and that is through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We have only been given one avenue to obtain a measure of the Holy Spirit, that is to a/s/k as out lined in Luke 11. If we do not seek out the Holy Spirit as instructed, then we are on our own to establish and maintain our own relationship with God. As All of you can attest this task is next to impossible even when done in groups.
