Woman burned alive for 'sorcery' in Papua New Guinea

[Drich]

Let me guess you've never ventured past your mother's sight till you went to school, and even then you never wandered far?

God you're an arrogant little shit, aren't you?

I diagnosis and 'fix' things for a living. What i have found over the years is that people if given the option, they will often times choose to keep working with something even if a component failure could cause a catastrophic accident, or a system wide shut down. Unless they are made to understand that their current understanding of 'how things work' is completely off base, they will not be open to being re-educated.

Like wise you needed to see that your whole line of 'critical reasoning' (in that because you believe that witches are not real, that none exist) was extremely naive, and childish. It was based on a 1/2 truth designed to make a little boy feel safe and secure about the world he lives in. When in fact the world does not operate that way. Could i have done all of this a different way? Absolutely, matter of fact I started out that way, but then i thought to myself why should I be worried about bruising your ego? You have set the tome and timbre of this and all of our discussions to this point. You push and force your ideas on to me, so why not return the favor? Why should you be any different than anyone else? My work here has always reflected the effort the person i am speaking with puts in. (plus or minus a few points)

Yes, and it doesn't make them any less wrong for burning her. But keep your note about perception in mind for a little later on, because I intend to beat your argument to death with it.

Again Her being burned is a non issue, of course it is wrong across the board. That is not what is being discussed. What is, are the members of this website who classify this act as being 'Christian' when clearly there are no laws in Christianity that condones it, or when you all classify this act as being cultural if they have no laws condoning the act in their society.

Again, this is an action perpetrated by individuals. My questions was: Did she know that the people in whom she was dealing with hated witches, or did she know that being a witch in a given area would get her killed?

Much like caring large sums of money in certain areas have been known to result in death. For instance we had a police officer in full uniform get shot in the back of the head at a bank in broad daylight just after he cashed his paycheck. What happened after that? 'we' (My wife and I) stopped using that branch even though it is the closest one to us at the time. why? because we knew that for certain people who lived in a given area, were prone to kill anyone who had cash on hand. Not that the community was bad but one or two members of that community had been confirmed to kill an armed police officer for a small envolope of cash.

Again if I had been a witch in that community and i knew witches were not welcomeby some I would stay out of the area because of those few who killed witches.

Excuse me? Minority Report? We're straw manning me this early? Do you think it's crazy to have a reasonable expectation of walking down the street without being set upon by criminals?

Again, unless a person commits a crime, how do you know them to be 'criminals?'

Do you think these people should be excused for having violent thoughts in the first place?

So.. Your advocating the need for a "thought police?" Where one can be arrested for what they actually think? Or is it just what you think they think?

Just a side question, Have you ever read 1984?

Yes, of course it's prudent to avoid confrontation like that if you can, and if you weren't so stuck on exaggerating every argument that comes your way rather than responding to it, you'd see that I never argued that in the first place. However, why should we just bow our heads and avoid those who would do us harm, rather than addressing why?

Because it is not a 'crime' to not like everyone (yet) and until our thoughts and feelings are regulated by the government (as you seem to be for) People of like minds will congregate and build communities with each other. Just because people tend to stick with those who think alike, does not make them criminals (yet.)

]Not the issue being discussed.

It is if you keep insisting it's somehow her fault for being burnt alive.

Show me one place where I did. Again I started out using queues from a perceived Christian argument,(against witches) but if you take the time to look past your self righteousness, you will note i never said it was her fault. I just asked was she aware of a given situation... Again Just seeing who among you can think on their feet and who defaults to the olde standard Atheist arguments.

Remember that perception thing we talked about earlier? It doesn't fucking matter what your perception of the bible is, in this case It matters what the people committing the crime believed, and they believed themselves to be good Christians, given that once again, Christian nation..

It does Matter what I believe.... but It matters what someone else believes...

...wait Their more:

I know you're so amazingly arrogant that you believe your own unsubstantiated perversion of your religion is the only one that matters, but it's not. Try to keep that in mind: even within your own religion, you are in the minority.

Oh, Ok sorry. So let me get this straight. My beliefs are meaningless, but if someone who takes the name 'Christian' but does not adhere to the 'rules' of Christianity does something that you can use to persecute Christianity as a whole (including me and the apparent minority of billions behind me..) What they believe counts.. Wait Here it comes again..

Seriously? What bigot farm where you raised? It's real simple farm boy: In order to blame Christianity for doing "X" then "X" must be apart of the Christian bi-laws. If a person does "X" and Christian laws have nothing to do with "X" then this is no longer a "Christian" matter.

Again unless you can show me a CHRISTIAN LAW That commands that we burn witches. You need to accept your bigotry. Claim it, own it, you be free-er to say, do, and 'think' as you like.

Plus you won't be made to look the fool for trying to manipulate simple logic to defend your arguments.
Give it a shot, try it with your next post and see how you like it. Minnie does not seem to take issue with it.. ANd He was voted the best poster on this whole website! If nothing else he is honest about who he is and I really can respect that. (for what it's worth)

The one where you sneered and said "look it up yourself?" Oh, I did.

I left a link.

So if you don't think that, why are you defending it here?

Because I am not being used as fire wood.

I guess you only care about persecution when you're the one being persecuted?

It's not about me. It's about you all labeling that whole community as witch hunters. Or labeling Christianity as promoting witch hunting when clearly it does not...

Two things: one, hearing you talking about getting other people to think is pretty rich, given you never seem to think about what we tell you, at all.

Not what I said. I said I wanted to see who could think on the fly and who could not.

And second, at least do me the courtesy of spelling my fucking name right.

I see what I can do.

Popular morality? What the fuck are you even talking about? Not one of us is arguing that murder is fine.

Your getting into Brakeman territory now. i am starting to feel that same urge to use words like Stupid and dummy to describe your work like I do his.. The term "popular morality was not used in conjunction with trying to determine if 'murder' was wrong. It was used to show the sliding scale of acceptability in the bigotry and racist remarks made against the people of this Island nation, in order to condemn Christianity.

Please provide just one quote from this thread that is bigoted, or that condemned anything other than the people who committed the crime and the religion that inspired it.

Start with Popeyes' Quote on Page two. it reads like something Goebbles wrote against the "inferiority of non Aryan races." He painted a completely oneside picture of All who live there, gave no reference material, quotations, or any discernible facts of any kind. it was all just random facts/feeling used to condemn an entire nation of people, just so he could come after their 'national religion.' Which is at the heart of my work here, in that YOU Did not even recognize it!

That is what was meant as popular morality. I mean if Popeye Goebbles over there were talking about a black man in a cotton field somewhere I'd bet my last pay check you would be able to identify right and wrong then, but the need to crush Christianity and to show it as the 'greater of two evils' has you over look and sacrifice your popuraly moral stance on racism, in order to achieve the greater goal of making Christians look Evil. Even if their isn't anything tying Christianity to the actions of the individuals who killed that poor woman. You all default in condemning the whole community as being caniables inorder to make a run on the national religion.. Which is appearently ok because they are not black people in a cotton field or in the plains of Africa.

And no matter how much you blind yourself to it, yes there are religious instructions in the bible regarding witches, and odds on those instructions led to this turn of events.

Again your default logic is an appeal to ignorance. After I have explained and it is well known that the Bible in which you Speak represents Two Very distinct religions. We are speaking of Christianity here, and as such their are no laws in Christianity that even approach approval of this act.
As such your appeal to ignorance only deepens the case I have made to your bigoted comments, because even after you have been educated to the nature and separation made in the bible (between OT Judaism and NT Christianity) you are still insistent that Christians are bound by Jewish Law. Why? Because you know as well as I do, that you would have to concede your argument otherwise. (That is why I get to call you a bigot over and over again.) Because by definition your actions coincides with the definition of a bigot: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

Or perhaps it shows a genuine conviction in the concept? How about this, Drich: if the religion wasn't to blame, kindly provide us with an alternate hypothesis.

These were the actions of a frightened scared people who for all intense and purposes thought they killed a witch that was causing them harm. One does not have to be 'religious' to lash out at what he does not understand. (your posts should be evidence of that)

Where did this belief in witches, and this method and desire to dispose of them come from, if not the bible?

Maybe do a Google search before you issue a challenge like this, It only took me 2 minutes to make you look.. Not so smart here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt