RE: Woman burned alive for 'sorcery' in Papua New Guinea
February 10, 2013 at 9:48 pm
(This post was last modified: February 10, 2013 at 9:56 pm by Esquilax.)
(February 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm)Drich Wrote: So.. Your advocating the need for a "thought police?" Where one can be arrested for what they actually think? Or is it just what you think they think?
Just a side question, Have you ever read 1984?
No, I'm saying wouldn't it be nice if we could look into the root causes of those violent thoughts and try to address them, to make people less anti social and willing to do others harm? You know, to reduce the need for human suffering?
And yes, I love 1984, it's one of my favorite books.
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It does Matter what I believe....but It matters what someone else believes...
...waitTheir more:
Yes. It doesn't matter what you believe in this case, unless you're trying to tell us you were a part of that mob?
But right here, you're arguing that the religion of these people did not contribute to their crime, and therefore what they believe and how they came into those beliefs is the important question to consider. Whether or not you believe they measure up to your own standards is a non issue, since they've never met you, and probably wouldn't give a fuck about your imprimatur even if they had.
Quote:Oh, Ok sorry.So let me get this straight. My beliefs are meaningless, but if someone who takes the name 'Christian' but does not adhere to the 'rules' of Christianity does something that you can use to persecute Christianity as a whole (including me and the apparent minority of billions behind me..) What they believe counts.. Wait Here it comes again..
Seriously? What bigot farm where you raised? It's real simple farm boy: In order to blame Christianity for doing "X" then "X" must be apart of the Christian bi-laws. If a person does "X" and Christian laws have nothing to do with "X" then this is no longer a "Christian" matter.
You really don't get it, do you? Your personal beliefs disagree with both the bible itself, and the beliefs of mainstream christianity in most denominations. If you want to field strip the bible to get your own personal moral code then that's fine, but you need to get it through your head that your personal beliefs don't magically become the one true definition of christianity. There are other christians, they have beliefs that are different from yours, and you are not the king of the bible who can decide that they aren't true christians.
Get off your fucking high horse.
Quote:Again unless you can show me a CHRISTIAN LAW That commands that we burn witches. You need to accept your bigotry. Claim it, own it, you be free-er to say, do, and 'think' as you like.
I did show you. Twice. But because they don't match up with your beliefs, you, some jumped up believer with no credible reason to be believed yet the arrogant assertion that only his version of christianity is the correct one, you dismiss it out of hand.
Tell me again why your personal beliefs matter when determining the motivations of a separate group of people in another country?
Quote:It's not about me. It's about you all labeling that whole community as witch hunters. Or labeling Christianity as promoting witch hunting when clearly it does not...
I certainly label the ones who burnt someone at the stake for being a witch as witch hunters. And once again, two distinct exhortations to kill witches. Two.
Quote:Again your default logic is an appeal to ignorance. After I have explained and it is well known that the Bible in which you Speak represents Two Very distinct religions. We are speaking of Christianity here, and as such their are no laws in Christianity that even approach approval of this act.
Alright, then let me ask you this: does the old testament reflect the will of the same god as the new testament? If yes, then the old testament reflects his character just as much as the new testament does. If no, then either you're a pantheist in violation of your own first commandment, or is it that you feel that there was no god in that book? Your words tend to indicate you think it's the same god, but in that case,how could you possibly claim some distinction between his old testament and new testament persona and orders?
And before you say he changed, would you let your kids play with a pedophile because he's gone a few years clean?
Quote:As such your appeal to ignorance only deepens the case I have made to your bigoted comments, because even after you have been educated to the nature and separation made in the bible (between OT Judaism and NT Christianity) you are still insistent that Christians are bound by Jewish Law. Why? Because you know as well as I do, that you would have to concede your argument otherwise. (That is why I get to call you a bigot over and over again.) Because by definition your actions coincides with the definition of a bigot: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot
See above. And besides, I don't care about what you believe, I care about what's in the bible. And according to that, the word of god is eternal and not a jot or tittle of it will ever be changed.
Your beliefs do not equal christianity.
Quote:These were the actions of a frightened scared people who for all intense and purposes thought they killed a witch that was causing them harm. One does not have to be 'religious' to lash out at what he does not understand. (your posts should be evidence of that)
Maybe do a Google search before you issue a challenge like this, It only took me 2 minutes to make you look.. Not so smart here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt
And somehow you think it's less likely that 96% christian Papua New Guinea got their beliefs from a biblical source? Fine, live in denial then. Just know that "nuh-uh!" isn't an argument, and unless you can provide a real argument there's no reason to continue.
(February 10, 2013 at 9:14 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: If witchcraft isn't 'naturally occurring', why is it so very prevalent?
What I mean is, nobody comes into a belief of witches without being prodded by someone else. It's a meme that's propagated by other people, not something that one can just look around and see.
Quote:We're too busy pleasuring witches to be overly concerned with burning them alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d8hZtvRPno
Or was that just me?
It's not just you.

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