Israel

[A Theist]

[quote='Rhythm' pid='405361' dateline='1361645808']

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No, Atlass, "according to Rhythm" a compelling case against Israel and for it's adversaries cannot be drawn by invoking a logical fallacy. TQ.

You can feel for them, empathize with them, support their goal - and simultaneously indict and criticize the manner in which some go about attempting to achieve it.

Casualties of war -are- "dead for nothing", we are the ones investing meaning and purpose to their deaths, it's not inherent or granted upon their glorious deaths in the field of battle or some-such.

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I really have nothing to say to you after this line, especially !

You can feel for them, empathize with them, support their goal - and simultaneously indict and criticize the manner in which some go about attempting to achieve it.

A big shock for me.. for you to empathize with people who kicked millions out of their land & took it, but as we all know : nobody blamed american for taking the land from the natives

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Okay, here's your first problem. Is Israel founded based on religions views? What about Saudi Arabia, what about Pakistan, what about all the other Islamic States?
This is the entire problem with the "two state solution" is that it aims to cater to the demands of two RELIGIOUS States.

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Aractus, I wasn't discussing Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or any other Islamic country.

The name of this topic is "Israel", so please stay in the context but if you have anything on Islam, there's a whole section for that, you can write there whatever you want..

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And I'm a number one hater for saudi arabia, mate : ) revise my posts.. again, this is a topic about israel, so please stay within the context.

Have you ever heard of freedom of religion? What about separation of Church and State? Separation of Church and State simply means that the State government is not controlled by and is independent from religious structures and organizations.

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You keep forgetting that Jews are immigrants.. you were nagging in another topic about muslim immigrations to the west !

do you like if we muslims invaded your country by immigration & started to tell you what to do or how to run your country ? obviously when some muslims did that, they were thrown in prison !

Sovereignty.. don't you believe in that ?

So what? Do you have any idea how many Islamic States there are??

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the topic is "Israel"..

please discuss the evidence I brought : ) I'm not discussing Islam. I'm discussing invasion, mass immigrations & a religious country called Israel..

You can open up another topic about Islamic states & I would sure put my opinion

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2)The Eligibility of the jews for the land

[quote]So what? It wasn't until the late 18th century that Australia was colonized by the Europeans. Should we pack up shop and leave so that an Aboriginal State can be established here? Should we divide the land into a two-state-solution and give 50% of Australia to aborigines?

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Aractus, again.. You had problems with Islamic immigrations to the west. This is a confused opinion, please state what your opinion is on the immigrations.

and so what is not answer btw.

Tell me, in how many Islamic States could Jews decide to live happily and not face persecution from the Islamic Governments?

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Aractus I don't have the time to write that again, but again the topic name is israel..

You are unbelievable. You mean to tell us that people who have lived in the land for over 600 years you see as "foreign immigrants" and not "natives". Tell me where is their homeland then that they can return to?

so are you !
Yes they are foreign immigrants & yes, that war started after importing almost a million jew to israel to establish the kingdom of israel after the disapora !

Aractus wikipedia says this from many sources ! please what are you trying to prove ?

nobody had problems with early small immigrations, for 600 years nobody talked..

that war started after the arabs natives couldn't even find jobs from the mass jewish immigrations !

please answer the point : )

Yes you're right, a secular state should have been established in Israel which would have allowed both Jew and Arab to live peacefully together.

I support peace, but I don't support invasion : )

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the topic is "Israel"..

please discuss the evidence I brought : ) I'm not discussing Islam. I'm discussing invasion, mass immigrations & a religious country called Israel..

Aractus, I wasn't discussing Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or any other Islamic country.

The name of this topic is "Israel", so please stay in the context Big Grin but if you have anything on Islam, there's a whole section for that, you can write there whatever you want..

In other words, just let you rant against Israel without being challenged...