Israel

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And the only part of Israel which concerns you is their occupation of Jerusalem. Jerusalem has been inhabited by Jewish people for at least 3,000 years, and by Israelites for 2,000 years before that.

I have tired to write all this again, but I must be patient with you -especially you -_-" -..

I have no problem with jews in palestine.
I have a problem with this :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Legion

and this

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."[63]

You see -again-, british aren't arabs to tell us what to do. This land ain't there's to divide it like they want.

The jews started the war by the aid of the british.. please, don't write to me before either disprove the evidence I got -which is in the quote which you can find its link in my previous comment to missluckie-, or just say that you don't actually care because the enemy of your enemy is your friend : )

They've lived in the land of Israel for 600 years, they are not immigrants or lesser citizens.

... did I say that, really ?

or did I say that my problem was with immigrations which took place under the british occupations, and the previous legion between jew officials & the british -before a very very long time- to take Palestine from the arabs by the aid of the british invasion ??

I don't have a problem with Islamic immigrations. I have a problem with Islam, if it were up to me Islam would be banned in Australia.

Yes they are foreign immigrants & yes, that war started after importing almost a million jew to israel to establish the kingdom of israel after the disapora !

Aractus wikipedia says this from many sources ! please what are you trying to prove ?

nobody had problems with early small immigrations, for 600 years nobody talked..

that war started after the arabs natives couldn't even find jobs from the mass jewish immigrations !

please answer the point : )

Don't dance about the point. They've lived in Israel for 600 years, they are now inhabitants of the land, no longer are they immigrants, understand?

I support peace, but I don't support invasion : )

My proposal would be to abolish Jordan and Israel both and create a new secular State with a constitutional separation of Church and State and which comprises the entire region. Sound fair to you?
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Yeah, I actually enlarged this just to show you that I really don't have problems with early jewish immigrations

So, after reading what I wrote :

nobody had problems with early small immigrations, for 600 years nobody talked..

I really believe you didn't read my posts, right ?

please read them & then comment, because I simply don't have enough time to repeat myself.

Don't dance about the point. They've lived in Israel for 600 years, they are now inhabitants of the land, no longer are they immigrants, understand?

Dance about what ?
I already said that my problem started with the zionist agreement with the british & the following immigrations which were really big & huge.

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I really have nothing to say to you after this line, especially !

You didn't have much to say before my response though, and that's the point I was trying to drive home with it.

A big shock for me.. for you to empathize with people who kicked millions out of their land & took it, but as we all know : nobody blamed american for taking the land from the natives

More like empathizing for the people who got the short end of the expansion stick. Is someone "blaming" some other culture for what happened to the native american cultures? I wasn't aware, as it's made pretty clear - to middle schoolers here- precisely what happened when two worlds collided and who was involved. America blames america for the effects of expansion. Native cultures were obliterated, and I'm not exactly going to point the fickle finger at those who resisted that - but I wouldn't excuse anyone for their actions if those actions involved engaging in a campaign of terrorism (any more than one might excuse those who did precisely the same thing as they expanded westward - for example). I'm not sure why you think otherwise, and I'm not sure whether or not you imagine that there is any culture that isn't guilty on this charge.

History is cruel, vae victus, but misdeeds of the past or present do not excuse ones own misdeeds in the past or present. You're going to need to add a hell of alot of meat to this broth before I'll call it a stew.

Just revise my response to "missluckie".

and, what actions, Rythem, what actions for god's sake ?

people, invaded, murdered, kicked out of their lands.. what do you want more ?

please tell me what do you want ? what do you want us arabs to do ??

just die & clear this world for you ?

history isn't cruel. Humans like you are, because if you can't see that jews started the war -even when the evidence is in front of you-, then you can deny anything else that doesn't match your preference..

keep denying history, keep denying that jews started this war by literally invading palestine with the british in 1915.

keep denying that they did that to allow bigger immigrations..

I hope to see your opinion about this when Muslim immigrations get out of hand & a similar scenario takes place..

You see, I will stand with the natives -even if they were atheists-

Double standards aint good.. denying history is even worse.

Again, respond to my evidence please that jews fought the arabs first. Because if you agreed, then both are part of the war, and both -according your comment, this comment below- are wrong, which would prove that your empathy with jews is really a prefect example of double standards.

No, Atlass, there really isn't. There's us and them, winners and losers, heros and villians - but better, nah, takes too many backflips to make that work out. If the first step in laying a case in against Israel is to make them the bad guys and excuse their adversaries for what have you (for example), I'm afraid it's DOA.