RE: Israel
February 24, 2013 at 12:29 pm
(This post was last modified: February 24, 2013 at 12:44 pm by WinterHold.)
I admit that I get sensitive when writing these threads : ) Maybe my behavior would explain to you what arabs go through everyday.
The issue of palestine took place in front of the whole world. Nobody talked or even raised a finger to help us. From an invasion to invasion, the advent of israel was the expolosive part..
we got out of that with one conclusion : the west doesn't give a fuck about us. It's then, when people like me started to appear, who have many contradicted opinions about the west.
So excuse me, but I went through a lot. and my people went through a lot.
I'm human after all. I can hide behind coolism for sometime, but in topics like this, my true nature appears ; nothing more than a child asking for some attention.. human after all. I just wait for that one comment from a westerner who might tell me : Yes ; jews treated you really bad.
That's all I want to hear.
back to your post.
Just to accept the harsh reality, right ? no I don't agree with them. The land goes back to how it was ; arab & muslim. sorry. this was an invasion as I stated, and we -arabs- don't accept more conflicts & division in our already small countries.
The children who got kicked out of their land, Rythem..the children buddy, the massacres, what happens now !
read the news..
Okay, I suppose history spends it's time running around handing out daisies and lollipops. Humans can be cruel, yes, just like me, because I'm a human being. I hope this isn't an area of disagreement between us, but what effect it has on the subject of Israel and Palestine - or where I have been cruel in that discussion, is a complete mystery to me.
Point out where I said that I don't agree with immigration.
Because I thought your empathy goes with Israel ; I already apologized about that : )
In the posts, not the main topic. I did what I promised to do ; no religious or personal thoughts, all sources & evidence.
on the posts, of course I'm biased, and I think everybody knows that since I decided to write this topic.
But is the topic itself biased for my opinion ? no..it's actual history which my opinion was actually built on.
being human doesn't excuse you for being cruel, sorry.
And Rythm, you wrote this on a previous post
so you can understand why I thought you're emphasizing with "teh jews", right ?
Israel isn't an Islamic state. It was built on Jewish faith, and millions of jews are supporting it everywhere.. to me, they are "the jews".
Label, my friend. Just a label. It's a jewish thought, in jewish religion, with jewish support. Nah, this ain't just israel.
Bring me something in Islam's history -which is part of the religion & which majority has supported- and believe me I won't deny it or deny that Islam caused it..
The occupation of Constantinople is an example. as simple as that..
The issue of palestine took place in front of the whole world. Nobody talked or even raised a finger to help us. From an invasion to invasion, the advent of israel was the expolosive part..
we got out of that with one conclusion : the west doesn't give a fuck about us. It's then, when people like me started to appear, who have many contradicted opinions about the west.
So excuse me, but I went through a lot. and my people went through a lot.
I'm human after all. I can hide behind coolism for sometime, but in topics like this, my true nature appears ; nothing more than a child asking for some attention.. human after all. I just wait for that one comment from a westerner who might tell me : Yes ; jews treated you really bad.
That's all I want to hear.
back to your post.
Quote:Actions undertaken by organizations such as the PLO.
Just to accept the harsh reality, right ? no I don't agree with them. The land goes back to how it was ; arab & muslim. sorry. this was an invasion as I stated, and we -arabs- don't accept more conflicts & division in our already small countries.
Quote:None of which excuses the above or makes them the good guys. What's so difficult to understand about this?
The children who got kicked out of their land, Rythem..the children buddy, the massacres, what happens now !
read the news..
Okay, I suppose history spends it's time running around handing out daisies and lollipops. Humans can be cruel, yes, just like me, because I'm a human being. I hope this isn't an area of disagreement between us, but what effect it has on the subject of Israel and Palestine - or where I have been cruel in that discussion, is a complete mystery to me.
Quote:At what point has history been denied? Just point it out.
Do you have a problem with immigration?
A similar scenario to what takes place, and where? Why would my opinion change if the details are similar?
Point out where I said that I don't agree with immigration.
Quote:Agreed, but again, what that has to do with my responses to you or this conversation is a mystery.
Because I thought your empathy goes with Israel ; I already apologized about that : )
Quote:Your bias is showing, in this entire thread I've been talking about empathizing with the -Palestinians-.........but you clearly can't process that, it isn't part of your narrative of the "west". What double standard? Who's excusing anyone for anything, firstly, and secondly it occurs to me that maybe you weren't clear on what tq means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
There you go, this is why your screed against the jews has been DOA from the very first letter you typed. It wouldn't matter if the jews ate your fucking children - it would not excuse your own misdeeds. I would understand, hell I may even cheer for you (because remember, from above, I'm a human being - and in addition to being cruel I am many other things) - but it won't make you the good guy. It is not a compelling argument because the foundation of the argument is a classic logical fallacy.
In the posts, not the main topic. I did what I promised to do ; no religious or personal thoughts, all sources & evidence.
on the posts, of course I'm biased, and I think everybody knows that since I decided to write this topic.
But is the topic itself biased for my opinion ? no..it's actual history which my opinion was actually built on.
being human doesn't excuse you for being cruel, sorry.
And Rythm, you wrote this on a previous post
Quote:Technically, Palestine "belongs" to Israel, not "teh jews". So sayeth the the F-series air superiority fighters.
so you can understand why I thought you're emphasizing with "teh jews", right ?
Israel isn't an Islamic state. It was built on Jewish faith, and millions of jews are supporting it everywhere.. to me, they are "the jews".
Label, my friend. Just a label. It's a jewish thought, in jewish religion, with jewish support. Nah, this ain't just israel.
Bring me something in Islam's history -which is part of the religion & which majority has supported- and believe me I won't deny it or deny that Islam caused it..
The occupation of Constantinople is an example. as simple as that..
