Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: February 28, 2025, 1:40 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Why can't God sin?
#32
RE: Why can't God sin?
(February 26, 2013 at 10:43 am)Drich Wrote:
Quote: In god's case, is he not even more (sinfully) responsible for putting the tree there in the first place?
Is God responsiable for giving us the oppertunity for sin/choice YES! For He put the Tree of knoweledge in the Garden. The Tree from the beginning repersentes Choice. Sin is not automatically bad the way you all seem to think it is. Sin=FreeWill. God knows this and is why He put the tree with in the Garden, and it is also why we have been given the oppertunity to be forgiven of our sins. You can not have one without the other. For Sin is Choice. with out choice/sin then there is only the expressed will of God. If there is only God's Expressed will then We must Always obey it.

I must respectfully disagree that the Adam and Eve story has any free will at all. In fact, free will is taken away repeatedly.

God tells Adam don't do this or you will die. That is threat/coercion. No free will exists. If I tell you to give me your money or I will kill you, you have no free will. You will give me the money, and if you don't that is your fear reacting. Either way, that choice was taken away.

The next part is that Eve, who was never told this rule by God (she get's it wrong, and nothing happens to her after she eats. There is a Jewish Midrash that the snake wanted Adam to eat it so the serpent could mate with Eve. Cool, huh?). But she is seduced, and seduction removes free will, because the seducer has manipulated you into making his choice.

Adam shows up, and he is coerced and seduced by his wife, and he does so. Then "Zap" God finds out, they all get punished (She has painful births, Adam has to get a job, and the serpent will transform into a living phallus (hence the Midrash - he became what he desired).

But wait, here is the kicker...

God then confirms the snakes seduction and says that he doesn't want them to eat from the other tree, so in order to take free choice away, he kicks them out on the basis of what they might do! (We never find out what happened to Mrs. Serpent, by the way).

No free will there. Just coercion, threats, and seduction, and at the end, having any possibility taken away before you can get it.

The story of the garden is one of seduction, not one of free will. (My determinism is showing). It is not really about what happens when you sin, but what happens when you decide to do something that puts you at the same level as God, which the snake hinted at and which God later confirmed. (Never piss off the big guy! He is a jealous big guy with ego issues)
“I've done everything the Bible says — even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff!"— Ned Flanders
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Why can't God sin? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - February 25, 2013 at 11:44 pm
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Drich - February 25, 2013 at 11:47 pm
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - February 25, 2013 at 11:50 pm
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Drich - February 26, 2013 at 12:36 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Question Mark - February 25, 2013 at 11:53 pm
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - February 25, 2013 at 11:58 pm
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Question Mark - February 26, 2013 at 12:10 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - February 26, 2013 at 12:26 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Drich - February 26, 2013 at 1:18 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Question Mark - February 26, 2013 at 5:28 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by ThomM - February 26, 2013 at 12:01 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Nobody - February 26, 2013 at 12:09 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Esquilax - February 26, 2013 at 12:19 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Question Mark - February 26, 2013 at 12:23 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by ronedee - February 27, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Question Mark - February 27, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: Why can't God sin? - by ronedee - February 27, 2013 at 4:18 pm
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Nobody - February 26, 2013 at 12:44 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Esquilax - February 26, 2013 at 12:50 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Drich - February 26, 2013 at 12:53 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Nobody - February 26, 2013 at 1:09 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Esquilax - February 26, 2013 at 1:21 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by ThomM - February 27, 2013 at 9:05 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - February 26, 2013 at 12:58 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Drich - February 26, 2013 at 1:03 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Cinjin - February 26, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - February 26, 2013 at 1:08 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Cinjin - February 26, 2013 at 1:22 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Drich - February 26, 2013 at 1:29 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Nobody - February 26, 2013 at 2:26 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Drich - February 26, 2013 at 2:50 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by EGross - February 26, 2013 at 4:16 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Mystical - February 26, 2013 at 4:26 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Drich - February 26, 2013 at 10:43 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by EGross - February 26, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Drich - February 27, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: Why can't God sin? - by EGross - February 27, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Why can't God sin? - by The Magic Pudding - February 26, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by EGross - February 27, 2013 at 9:17 am
RE: Why can't God sin? - by ThomM - February 27, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Why can't God sin? - by EGross - February 27, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Why can't God sin? - by Mystical - March 2, 2013 at 10:45 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Sin and death LinuxGal 35 4563 December 11, 2023 at 8:32 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  Why you can't find God MilesAbbott81 109 13842 September 19, 2022 at 1:41 pm
Last Post: Ranjr
  the nature of sin Drich 137 25656 August 11, 2020 at 6:51 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? vorlon13 92 12458 July 23, 2018 at 8:20 am
Last Post: SteveII
  Why, God? Why?! LadyForCamus 233 41115 June 5, 2018 at 12:57 pm
Last Post: Angrboda
  And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. vorlon13 14 3555 August 1, 2017 at 2:54 am
Last Post: ignoramus
  Sin and the Blame Game LadyForCamus 115 33728 June 20, 2017 at 7:37 pm
Last Post: Huggy Bear
  Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin Rhondazvous 231 68963 June 4, 2017 at 9:31 am
Last Post: Zenith
  Why Lust is bad, not gonna use "sin" reason but logical reason Rispri 27 6412 March 4, 2017 at 7:38 pm
Last Post: Ravenshire
  Question for Christians regarding elimination of Sin ErGingerbreadMandude 11 3242 January 29, 2017 at 4:25 pm
Last Post: The Wise Joker



Users browsing this thread: 4 Guest(s)