RE: Life as a Deist
March 1, 2013 at 10:42 am
(This post was last modified: March 1, 2013 at 10:45 am by genkaus.)
(February 28, 2013 at 11:52 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Enlighten me.
You already should be - given your statement about "A Universe from Nothing".
(February 28, 2013 at 11:52 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Admittedly that statement was poorly worded. Aquinas said it much better. I'm paraphrasing..."God is not in time. God is the cause that time is. Nor is God in space. God is the cause that space is." Something to that effect.
Equally meaningless. Cause and effect are spatio-temporal by definition. Talking about causes outside the context of space and time makes no sense.
(March 1, 2013 at 12:31 am)FallentoReason Wrote:(February 28, 2013 at 10:54 am)Chas Wrote: I think the major problem with deism is that it doesn't actually answer any of your questions.
If you ascribe the creation of it all to a creator, from whence the creator?
Simplify and leave out the creator.
The standard view since the dawn of monotheism is that "GOD" is the first uncaused cause.
(February 28, 2013 at 11:09 am)Baalzebutt Wrote: Fallen, I am going to direct you to a book that I am currently reading that addresses these very issues. It is by Laurence Krauss and it is called A Universe From Nothing: Why there is something rather than nothing.
A Universe From Nothing
Check it out. I think it will be very enlightening for you.
I'll get it from the book depository! Thanks for the recommendation.
(February 28, 2013 at 12:12 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: So you fell to reason...
...and then lost your reason again, because you shit your pants and decided to believe that there is something after all. For no good reason other that there are unanswered/unanswerable questions.
It isn't so much the questions but rather the observations of nature. I don't know how else to answer you but to point to quotes that explain much better how I think:
"That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God." ~ Albert Einstein
"The Creation speaks a universal language that does not depend on any human speech or language. It is an eternal 'original copy' that all men can read. It cannot be faked or counterfeited. It cannot be lost or changed. It cannot be kept secret. It does not depend on man deciding whether to publish it or not. It publishes itself from one end of the earth to the other. It preaches to all the nations, and all the worlds. This natural word of God reveals to us all that man needs to know of God." ~ Thomas Paine
Quote:You might as well go back to church.
That place is against reason. I'll die.
Didn't I address all this already?
