RE: The difference between ethical atheism and nihlism is that ethical atheists have more faith
March 11, 2013 at 11:19 pm
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2013 at 11:30 pm by jstrodel.)
It is not self evident that phenomenological perceptions can yield objective knowledge in a world in which the concept of objectivity is not interwoven into an appreciation of the human person. How do you know what the senses can reproduce around you? How is this so? What if you have defective eyes? What does the term "defective" even refer to when describing sense perception? Why do you reject Kant's categories of noumena and phenomena
You are stuck in a skeptical worldview and you won't admit it. If you want to hang on to your teleology, you must become a Deist, plain and simple (or better yet, a Christian).
That settles it. Why don't you go with that then and be honest and call your beliefs about the world opinions? That is what they are.
Sense perception is rooted in volition, which is tied the minds perception of deeply held cultural, economic, religious values that are always related to wants and needs. When people have sense perceptions, they have them according to their lingustic, cultural, social and economic makeup, which is function of their societies collective experience in meeting wants and needs.
Also, necessarily, all human actions are directed towards wants and needs. Sense perception and the formation of linguistic categories is a volitional act, people choose what to think, and their thoughts are always directed towards appreciating the world in their cultural context, which is always tied to wants and needs, and most sense perceptions are directed tied to wants and needs.
The cultural categories of science and language are overwhelmingly aimed at meeting peoples wants and needs.
The only way to transcend this is to become a mystic and to see in the spirit of the Holy God who freely gives knowledge to all people who humble themselves and accept their tiny, culturally conditioned, polluted view of the world and see in God's glorious radiance the splendor of the true telos of every living thing. You are not free to define the world around you as you see fit, a person is valuable not because you can perceive qualities of value in them, but because God sees them as such.
You are stuck in a skeptical worldview and you won't admit it. If you want to hang on to your teleology, you must become a Deist, plain and simple (or better yet, a Christian).
Quote:Like I said before, since I don't buy the idea of inherent or intrinsic teleology, this is not a problem for me.
That settles it. Why don't you go with that then and be honest and call your beliefs about the world opinions? That is what they are.
Quote:Prove it. Prove that sense perception is ALWAYS tied to wants and needs - not just usually tied to it - and cannot be separated from it.
Sense perception is rooted in volition, which is tied the minds perception of deeply held cultural, economic, religious values that are always related to wants and needs. When people have sense perceptions, they have them according to their lingustic, cultural, social and economic makeup, which is function of their societies collective experience in meeting wants and needs.
Also, necessarily, all human actions are directed towards wants and needs. Sense perception and the formation of linguistic categories is a volitional act, people choose what to think, and their thoughts are always directed towards appreciating the world in their cultural context, which is always tied to wants and needs, and most sense perceptions are directed tied to wants and needs.
The cultural categories of science and language are overwhelmingly aimed at meeting peoples wants and needs.
The only way to transcend this is to become a mystic and to see in the spirit of the Holy God who freely gives knowledge to all people who humble themselves and accept their tiny, culturally conditioned, polluted view of the world and see in God's glorious radiance the splendor of the true telos of every living thing. You are not free to define the world around you as you see fit, a person is valuable not because you can perceive qualities of value in them, but because God sees them as such.
