RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
March 27, 2013 at 8:08 am
(This post was last modified: March 27, 2013 at 8:09 am by ciko83.)
(March 27, 2013 at 7:56 am)Esquilax Wrote:(March 27, 2013 at 7:23 am)ciko83 Wrote: here
Forgive me for skipping the rest of your post, but I think what I have to say here addresses a lot of what you were saying above this point anyway.
So, I watched the entire video and... you are aware that these points have been debunked years ago, right? The bacterial flagellum has a hypothetical evolutionary antecedent in the type 3 secretory system, something used by other bacteria that uses many of the same parts, but in different ways. Here's some references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_flagella
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13...mplex.html
The bacterial flagellum is not evidence for intelligent design. In fact, there's a legal precedent to support that! In 2005's Dover vs. Kitzmiller case on intelligent design, this very same flagellum was trotted out as evidence for design by one of the defense's key witnesses, and the guy got laughed out of court. The intelligent design proponents lost the case, and do you want to know the best part? The key witness who submitted the flagellum as evidence was none other than Michael Behe, the "scientist" in the video you provided. Your evidence is not as strong as you think.
Here's a little more on the case in question, if you're interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_...l_District
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Kitzmiller..._76_of_139 (Pay attention to page 76!)
And one more rebuttal of Behe's arguments for intelligent design, including the bacterial flagellum. Because I'm so nice: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe.html
So... there you go! Asked and answered!
bravo, you have shown to everybody now why atheists cant answer this difficult question.
you have not answered me my questions man?? you put link wich try to debunk inteligent deisgn, but i have not see any evidence from evoluitonist how this could evolve.
here we go again
How could non-thining nature create natural engine with 40 parts joined on correct places? how could nature put these parts like puzzles on correct places, logically inteklectual being iis that who think like that?
What is the evolutionary mechanism wich gives instructions to different parts of the natural engine so they connect on correct places so the engine could work properlly?
answer me with your own words, dont put link mambo jumbo from evolutionst
explain in simple language How could these evolve?
Quote:The intelligent design proponents lost the case, and do you want to know the best part? The key witness who submitted the flagellum as evidence was none other than Michael Behe, the "scientist" in the video you provided. Your evidence is not as strong as you think.
i have seen documentary about that, taht is the biggest joke i ever seen.
they used mouse trap to disprove irreducibly complexity, they removed one part of the mouse trap and mouse trap had another function like, like decoration

you can even watch it here
my question to them are, who had rotating propellers before bacteria and spermcells?