(March 27, 2013 at 8:53 am)ciko83 Wrote: let stick to this one.
how could it evolve, how could nature give instructions to different part to connect on correct places?
Already explained in the post above, but let me just copy verbatim what I wrote there, since you apparently didn't see it: The short answer is that there isn't an intelligence guiding it, because organic development is nothing like a construction job. Do you think that your hand was put together piecemeal, first with just bare bones and nerves, and then musculature and skin layered over it separately? No, of course not; it all developed together during your gestational period. It's the same everywhere, dude; it's not a process of "this part goes here, and this part fits onto it there..." but rather an ongoing, fluid development based on the genetic blueprint of the organism in question.
How can I support this claim? Well, non-uniformity: occasionally you get examples of organisms where that development process failed, in the form of mutations. To use your own examples, not every sperm is created equal; some people do have non-motile sperm, for instance. If there was an intelligent designer at work, wouldn't you expect that all these little "machines" would come together the same every time? Why does your god spend so much time putting together these machines in defective ways, if that were the case?
Quote:and by the way, let me clearfy it to you, beacuse you dont think deeply here
Probably best not to insult any part of the group currently wiping the floor with your arguments, dude.
Quote:let say that
primodial bacterial flagellum was this
"ABCD" and then it evolve into this ------>
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP
I'll just say that the process wouldn't be that... jumpy. It's be more like, ABCD evolves into ABCDE, which over time evolves into ABCDEF and so on.
Quote:NOW QUESTIONS ARE,how could nature put different parts on correct places like this ABCD and not like this CBDA?
Couple of things: one is that the ABCD preferred system routinely does come together as CBDA, or any number of different combinations. We call those mutations, and sometimes they're helpful, at others they render the organism completely nonfunctional, or are neutral and provide no benefit or disadvantage. So, now the question to you is, if there is a designer dictating all of this, why does he spend such time making incorrect versions of his design.
The second, is that there's a genetic blueprint that's followed in the development of the organism. That's what "knows" where the parts go, so to speak.
Quote:how could nature know future so it created extra parts EFGHIJKLMNOP on correct places.
Nature doesn't know. Those parts developed gradually, in line with small changes in the genes of the organism. You know... evolution? That's literally the definition of the thing.
Quote:1. how could it create new parts, did it know future so it create for future negine
2. and if it created it, how could it put on correct places in the engine?
Asked and answered above. I don't know why you felt the need to repeat yourself.
Quote:you cant just say The flagellum evolved from a different body part, the type 3 secretory system, most likely
Sure I can, because that's what happened. You can't say no evolutionist has given you proof now that one has. So, apparently your answer is to simply ignore that proof and continue trundling on your way.
Quote:if it evolved, then evolution is only logical if you attached Evolver/God to it. if you say it evolves itself, then i ask you can your mother give birth to herself then? if not, how can then natural engine give birth to itself by evolution???
There's a lot wrong with that logic, but I'll have to focus; evolution isn't a process that requires a beginning. It's just a natural function of the fact that genes exist, and that those genes can differ, and that those differences can either be made to survive into the next generation or die out according to outside forces. You have a fundamental flaw in your reasoning, and to me that seems to be that you don't understand evolution. So, would you like to give a little definition of the theory so I can educate your ass, or would you just like to continue arguing from a position of misinformation?
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