(March 29, 2013 at 12:27 am)Tex Wrote: Since I'm dealing with a bunch of radical empiricists, I figure I need to start with something we observable. Look down. How many fingers are on your hands. Everyone counted eleven, right? Cool. So, we already have our immaterial. Eleven is a number. It's not material. You cannot go grab eleven and paint it green. You cannot throw eleven at your sister. Eleven is a quantity.
Now there are two options for this, you can either say that eleven exists in reality and we are perceiving eleven or you can say it exists in our heads.
You have eleven fingers!
Were your parents brother and sister?
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.