Ryantology Wrote:Within the universe are Quantities.
Quantities are not material.
THEREFORE,
Within the universe are things not material. (immaterials)
The brain does not understand immaterial things.
If an individual understands immaterials,
Then it doesn't come from the brain.
Animals understand quantity (an immaterial).
Understanding quantity doesn't come from the brain.
Understanding still must come from somewhere.
In an animal's physical anatomy, there is not another substantial processor.
Understanding still must come from somewhere.
Since all physical organs have been ruled out, the only other option is if the person has a non-physical organ.
I call this non-physical organ "soul".
Ouch! That's quite a bit. However, I think it all stems from the "Quantities are not material" line. The prime example of why quantities are not material is because they do not have any material qualities. You cannot isolate them. You cannot shoot them like electrons. They have no spacial dimensions. They have no physical traits whatsoever. From my knowledge, material things, as a whole, act materially. Quantity does not. More so, quantity lacks any material attribute that allows a human body to sense it. There is no reason we should know quantity. However, we do. This leads me to believe there is a non-bodily processor that can recognize the quantity.
ChadWooters Wrote:Opps. Now I think we are starting to part company. You're a bodily resurrection believer. Hmmmm, we'll have to clear that one up. I'll take a closer look at your argument than the knee-jerk response you got from our atheist bothers. In the meantime, enjoy your Easter. He Arose!
Silly Swedenborgians and their Sabellianism and their non-bodily resurrections... Oh, and it's "He is Risen!" Get your liturgy right...
Just kidding =)
whateverist Wrote:You claim to understand immaterial things. You claim you do not understand them with your brain. How could you possibly know that? Can you feel when your brain kicks into gear? I can't. The process is seamless.
The brain cannot process immaterial things.
whateverist Wrote:Now why should the brain not be able to process 'immaterial' things? All categories and concepts are immaterial. If these do not fall within the domain of the brain I'm afraid we may have no common understanding.
This was my original thought on the argument. Just saying, "The brain can't process it" is baseless. What must be said first is that the brain can only process stimuli which is has received. This isn't too hard, a blind person will not process light, a deaf person will not process sound, etc. Next, if quantity is truly immaterial, it would not come through any of those senses. Therefore, unless there is some unknown sensing organ on the body, we require an immaterial organ.
All categories and concepts are immaterial, yes, but nearly all of them are ens rationes (only existing in the mind). Like the Germans are coming mentioned earlier, liters and gallons are groupings, but they are arbitrary and made up in order to measure. Language actually works the same way: arbitrary sounds with given meanings called "words" (although the process of learning a language is more metaphysically complex). The concepts that require some immaterial organ have to be existent beyond our mind and in reality. The current example is quantity, which truly exists outside of our heads. Others include quality (though only phenomenologically), principles/predicting the future, and relation. I'll get to those in other threads; I'd like to focus on quantity.
whateverist Wrote:Why number of all things? Do you think the distinction between many and few is something less accessible to our senses than big and small? What a silly idea.
Big and small are relative terms and don't exist in reality. Compared to my little city, the Earth is big. Compared to the sun, Earth is small. Many and few are actually also relative and only in our minds. Quantity is a part of reality.
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