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For the logic impaired...
RE: For the logic impaired...
(April 3, 2013 at 5:21 pm)Joel Wrote: I don't believe abortion is killing a human being. I believe it is stopping a potential life. I believe it should be done within a certain timeframe, also. Note that this may only be to make me feel more comfortable with abortion because most people will say that it remains just a fetus until the moment of birth: that's not how I see it.

That’s interesting, only a potential life? Which of the functions of life does a fetus not meet? I am not aware of any defensible way to argue that a fetus is not alive or not human.

Quote: Also, I see it differently to slavery because a slave is an individual person whilst a fetus is an in-development life. It doesn't have feelings, a mind (to my knowledge) or a sensory system.

So as long as the slave owners don’t view their slaves as people then they are justified in owning them?
How do you know a fetus doesn’t possess feelings, a mind, or a sensory system? That doesn’t seem to be something that is provable or knowable. Additionally, why are those things required in order to be a person? That seems to be a rather arbitrary standard of person-hood.

Quote:According to me, it's morally wrong... As in, I view that as an immoral act. I believe that morality is subjective and that's my view.

So my view that it is not morally wrong is equally valid as yours?

Quote: I don't believe it's moral for a mother to kill any child she doesn't want, either, that's why I specified in brackets that it's a child forced on her - with an example of rape. Nor would it be fair on the child, if it were to be born, to have no loving family.

Since you have already established that you believe morality is individually subjective, then if a mother believes it is morally acceptable to kill her 5 year old child simply because she doesn’t want it anymore is this act therefore morally acceptable? I think there is some inconsistency between the way you are acting and your claimed view of morality; you seem to act like there are moral laws that apply to all of us regardless of what we think but you claim that morality is individually subjective at the same time, how do you reconcile the two?

Quote: Quality of life is a difficult topic, but a child with a paralysing terminal illness will live a life of lesser quality to that of a child with no disease.

Possibly (even though I know several people who are disabled that live better lives than many people who are not), but how do you move from your above statement to the position that the first child therefore should not be allowed to live that life? Where does the right to make that decision for the child come from?

Quote:I think that's a step in the right direction for countries in which abortion is already illegal.

I think it’s a step in the right direction for countries where the act is already legal Smile
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For the logic impaired... - by SHIN KAIRI - March 30, 2013 at 9:44 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - March 30, 2013 at 9:47 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Silver - March 30, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Statler Waldorf - April 2, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Fruity - March 30, 2013 at 9:50 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Nine - March 30, 2013 at 9:52 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by jstrodel - March 30, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by jstrodel - March 30, 2013 at 11:30 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Silver - March 30, 2013 at 11:32 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 11:37 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Minimalist - March 30, 2013 at 11:41 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - March 31, 2013 at 6:39 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by jstrodel - March 30, 2013 at 11:50 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Silver - March 30, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Minimalist - April 1, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by jstrodel - March 30, 2013 at 11:53 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Silver - March 30, 2013 at 11:54 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 11:55 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by jstrodel - March 30, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Silver - March 30, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - March 30, 2013 at 11:58 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Kayenneh - March 31, 2013 at 4:46 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by downbeatplumb - March 31, 2013 at 5:50 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Zen Badger - March 31, 2013 at 5:59 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by KichigaiNeko - March 31, 2013 at 6:41 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - March 31, 2013 at 8:53 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Violet - March 31, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Angrboda - March 31, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Violet - March 31, 2013 at 4:42 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Violet - March 31, 2013 at 7:02 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by KichigaiNeko - March 31, 2013 at 7:05 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - March 31, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - March 31, 2013 at 8:34 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - March 31, 2013 at 8:50 am
For the logic impaired... - by KichigaiNeko - March 31, 2013 at 9:11 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - March 31, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Autumnlicious - March 31, 2013 at 4:50 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Nine - March 31, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Angrboda - March 31, 2013 at 5:55 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - March 31, 2013 at 5:07 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Angrboda - March 31, 2013 at 11:14 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - March 31, 2013 at 9:12 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - March 31, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - March 31, 2013 at 11:19 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - March 31, 2013 at 4:42 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - March 31, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Silver - March 31, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - March 31, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - March 31, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - March 31, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2013 at 1:18 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - March 31, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - March 31, 2013 at 5:55 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Kayenneh - March 31, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by CapnAwesome - March 31, 2013 at 5:58 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - March 31, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Autumnlicious - March 31, 2013 at 6:48 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by SHIN KAIRI - April 1, 2013 at 10:32 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - April 1, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by SHIN KAIRI - April 1, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by SHIN KAIRI - April 1, 2013 at 7:04 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Nine - April 1, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by MysticKnight - April 1, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Tonus - April 1, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Kayenneh - April 1, 2013 at 10:35 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 1, 2013 at 10:42 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by justin - April 1, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by justin - April 1, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 1, 2013 at 6:15 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 1, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by justin - April 1, 2013 at 6:41 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 1, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Violet - April 3, 2013 at 1:14 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Tiberius - April 1, 2013 at 6:36 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - April 1, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by justin - April 1, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by justin - April 1, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Tiberius - April 1, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 1, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 1, 2013 at 8:15 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - April 1, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 2:44 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 1:45 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Autumnlicious - April 2, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2013 at 1:56 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 2, 2013 at 7:09 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Autumnlicious - April 2, 2013 at 2:51 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - April 2, 2013 at 7:32 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Autumnlicious - April 2, 2013 at 10:26 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2013 at 2:56 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by KichigaiNeko - April 2, 2013 at 7:11 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by pocaracas - April 2, 2013 at 9:00 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Kayenneh - April 2, 2013 at 11:19 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 2, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by jstrodel - April 2, 2013 at 8:32 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 6:49 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Kayenneh - April 2, 2013 at 7:00 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - April 2, 2013 at 7:19 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 2, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - April 2, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 7:37 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - April 2, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - April 2, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Tonus - April 2, 2013 at 8:17 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 7:56 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - April 2, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 7:57 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 7:58 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 8:05 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Statler Waldorf - April 2, 2013 at 8:25 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 2, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 2, 2013 at 8:17 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by festive1 - April 2, 2013 at 8:21 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 8:19 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 8:28 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 2, 2013 at 8:33 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 2, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 3, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 3, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Violet - April 3, 2013 at 1:35 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Tiberius - April 3, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Statler Waldorf - April 3, 2013 at 4:25 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 3, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Statler Waldorf - April 3, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 4, 2013 at 6:48 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 3, 2013 at 7:35 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 3, 2013 at 11:05 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 4, 2013 at 3:26 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Joel - April 4, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 4, 2013 at 8:35 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Whateverist - April 4, 2013 at 8:46 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 4, 2013 at 12:40 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Kayenneh - April 4, 2013 at 8:58 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by pocaracas - April 4, 2013 at 9:06 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by YahwehIsTheWay - April 4, 2013 at 11:03 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Statler Waldorf - April 4, 2013 at 7:47 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Silver - April 4, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Cato - April 4, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by YahwehIsTheWay - April 4, 2013 at 8:55 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by catfish - April 4, 2013 at 9:49 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by YahwehIsTheWay - April 4, 2013 at 10:35 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 12:44 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Violet - April 4, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 7:01 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 4, 2013 at 9:56 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by catfish - April 4, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by YahwehIsTheWay - April 4, 2013 at 11:28 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by catfish - April 5, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 4, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by catfish - April 4, 2013 at 11:23 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 11:40 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 5, 2013 at 4:04 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by catfish - April 5, 2013 at 5:35 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 5, 2013 at 7:18 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by catfish - April 5, 2013 at 7:41 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 6, 2013 at 2:33 am
RE: For the logic impaired... - by fr0d0 - April 5, 2013 at 7:34 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 5, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by catfish - April 5, 2013 at 8:14 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Brayton.l - April 5, 2013 at 8:25 pm
RE: For the logic impaired... - by Mystical - April 6, 2013 at 3:05 am

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