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Do I sin because of Adam?
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RE: Do I sin because of Adam?
(April 3, 2013 at 6:52 pm)Rhythm Wrote: One of the better readings would suggest that the sinning - in some sinful thing -is not in the act, but in the knowledge of the act. The apple, and the tree, and the knowledge imparted was knowledge of the law, before which the authors imagined a world in which humans were running around blissfully in a garden completely ignorant of law, of good and evil - therefore not culpable. Sinning isn't so much doing, as it is knowing.

Just wondering if that "better" reading was perhaps not literal?
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(April 3, 2013 at 7:04 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote:
(April 3, 2013 at 6:52 pm)Rhythm Wrote: One of the better readings would suggest that the sinning - in some sinful thing -is not in the act, but in the knowledge of the act. The apple, and the tree, and the knowledge imparted was knowledge of the law, before which the authors imagined a world in which humans were running around blissfully in a garden completely ignorant of law, of good and evil - therefore not culpable. Sinning isn't so much doing, as it is knowing.

VERY interesting concept!

So evil is only evil if you KNOW it is evil. Otherwise, it is just another act with NO MORALITY ATTACHED TO IT!!

So actions, by themselves, are not morally wrong. It is the knowledge of those actions that makes them wrong.

Therefore, we can infer from that concept that there is no objective morality. All morality is SUBJECT to knowledge of evil.

Yup, and this is the reason why I logically reject the "original sin" doctrine. This same line of thinking is displayed in the Bible and it is even stated quite literally too.
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Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 9:32 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 2, 2013 at 9:39 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 9:51 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 9:55 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 9:56 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by CapnAwesome - April 2, 2013 at 10:16 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 10:17 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Silver - April 2, 2013 at 10:36 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 2, 2013 at 10:37 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 2, 2013 at 10:42 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Minimalist - April 3, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 3, 2013 at 7:37 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Tonus - April 3, 2013 at 7:42 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 2, 2013 at 10:51 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2013 at 10:57 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 2, 2013 at 11:03 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 2, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 2, 2013 at 11:05 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by CleanShavenJesus - April 2, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 3, 2013 at 12:34 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Silver - April 3, 2013 at 12:39 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 3, 2013 at 1:05 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by FallentoReason - April 3, 2013 at 3:01 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 3, 2013 at 3:59 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2013 at 11:24 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 2, 2013 at 11:29 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2013 at 11:31 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 2, 2013 at 11:41 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2013 at 11:48 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 3, 2013 at 12:21 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 3, 2013 at 12:31 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 3, 2013 at 12:44 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 3, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 3, 2013 at 5:59 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2013 at 7:07 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 3, 2013 at 11:32 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 4, 2013 at 2:46 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2013 at 7:02 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 4, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 4, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 4, 2013 at 11:44 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 4, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 4, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 5, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 5, 2013 at 2:54 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 5, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Tonus - April 5, 2013 at 3:19 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 5, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 5, 2013 at 3:24 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 5, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 3:38 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 7, 2013 at 6:36 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 11:25 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Esquilax - April 9, 2013 at 4:38 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 11:02 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 9, 2013 at 11:19 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 3:32 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 4, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 3, 2013 at 9:53 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Drich - April 3, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 3, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 5, 2013 at 5:44 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Silver - April 5, 2013 at 5:47 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 5, 2013 at 6:19 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by KichigaiNeko - April 5, 2013 at 6:00 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by CapnAwesome - April 3, 2013 at 9:56 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 3, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by CleanShavenJesus - April 3, 2013 at 4:42 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 3, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by CapnAwesome - April 3, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 4, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by CapnAwesome - April 3, 2013 at 5:31 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Ryantology - April 4, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 10:30 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 5:57 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 6:52 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 3, 2013 at 7:04 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 3, 2013 at 7:07 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 3, 2013 at 7:28 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 3, 2013 at 8:58 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 4, 2013 at 11:08 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 4, 2013 at 8:24 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2013 at 8:58 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by fr0d0 - April 4, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by junkyardboy - April 4, 2013 at 11:34 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Undeceived - April 4, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 4, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Godschild - April 5, 2013 at 4:49 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Silver - April 6, 2013 at 3:34 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 6, 2013 at 8:15 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by KichigaiNeko - April 6, 2013 at 10:38 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 2:05 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 7, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Mr_Dew7 - April 8, 2013 at 2:27 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by KichigaiNeko - April 8, 2013 at 5:21 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 8, 2013 at 12:29 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Esquilax - April 8, 2013 at 12:35 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 8, 2013 at 12:44 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 8, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by Baalzebutt - April 8, 2013 at 4:18 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by ThomM - April 9, 2013 at 7:32 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 10, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MORETORQUE - April 10, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 10, 2013 at 8:16 pm
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by MORETORQUE - April 11, 2013 at 7:40 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 10:40 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 14, 2013 at 11:31 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 11:34 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 14, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 11:38 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by catfish - April 14, 2013 at 11:48 am
RE: Do I sin because of Adam? - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 11:54 am
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