RE: Show me your proof
April 9, 2013 at 12:14 pm
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2013 at 12:19 pm by Baalzebutt.)
(April 9, 2013 at 2:38 am)Godschild Wrote: I do have another question, do you believe in free will, most nonbelievers argue against it whether they believe it or not. I see you mentioned it indirectly in your above answer.
Let's play a game. I am going to give you a choice:
1. Choose to accept me and I will give you wonderfulness and beauty, a life of ease and greatness filled with love and awesomeness.
2. Choose not to accept me and I will murder your family, inflict unimaginable pain on your children, and torture you forever by taking away everything that means anything to you and filling your life with the greatest tragedy you can imagine.
Not much of a choice, is it?
This is the deal according to your god. So, I reiterate my point that, in a world with your god, free will does not exist. Because even if we are "free to choose" that choice is being forced upon us which makes it no choice at all.
Your god is like Kim Jung Un only not quite as mature.
(April 9, 2013 at 12:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(April 9, 2013 at 11:56 am)Baalzebutt Wrote: Free will absolutely exists. That is the nature of a world WITHOUT a god.
Here is an example of an Atheist with more faith than me.
Can you prove free-will exists or explain how you are justified in knowing it exists for certain?
Without the omnipotence of a god, there is no foreknowledge or predetermination. Therefore, we are free to choose our actions which will lead us down an unknown path to an unknown future.
As soon as the path and future are known, by anyone or anything, our ability to choose is eliminated. With a deity, our path is inevitable and free will does not exist. Without a deity, our path is unknown and necessarily advances based on free will.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." -Einstein