RE: Show me your proof
April 9, 2013 at 8:11 pm
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm by Godscreated.)
(April 9, 2013 at 9:35 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:(April 8, 2013 at 11:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: How do you know the elephant was there when it left no trace, now you might not consider the Bible, but I do. Faith leads to belief, belief to knowledge, knowledge to revelation. You must do things in a proper order, please revise your statement.
The prophet of the elephant had a visitation from an angel who revealed the existence of the elephant. The prophet is my Aunt Matilda, who I trust on matters of life and death and who has no previous history of mental illness. Why would she lie about something like that? Why would an angel lie about something like that?
What prophet, what angel they were not mentioned before?
(April 9, 2013 at 11:56 am)Baalzebutt Wrote:(April 9, 2013 at 2:38 am)Godschild Wrote: I do have another question, do you believe in free will, most nonbelievers argue against it whether they believe it or not. I see you mentioned it indirectly in your above answer.
Free will absolutely exists. That is the nature of a world WITHOUT a god.
Free will ceases to exist in the presence of a omnipotent, omniscient deity because foreknowledge of action removes our ability to choose another path and thus, cancels free will.
Why is this so difficult to understand?
Because what you say has no sense to it. Unless you have foreknowledge of what will happen there's free will. Many of your fellow nonbelievers would argue there's no free will period. Sounds like you guys need to interpret your book in the same way.
(April 9, 2013 at 12:14 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote:(April 9, 2013 at 2:38 am)Godschild Wrote: I do have another question, do you believe in free will, most nonbelievers argue against it whether they believe it or not. I see you mentioned it indirectly in your above answer.
Let's play a game. I am going to give you a choice:
1. Choose to accept me and I will give you wonderfulness and beauty, a life of ease and greatness filled with love and awesomeness.
2. Choose not to accept me and I will murder your family, inflict unimaginable pain on your children, and torture you forever by taking away everything that means anything to you and filling your life with the greatest tragedy you can imagine.
Not much of a choice, is it?
This is the deal according to your god. So, I reiterate my point that, in a world with your god, free will does not exist. Because even if we are "free to choose" that choice is being forced upon us which makes it no choice at all.
Your god is like Kim Jung Un only not quite as mature.
"Be gone, satan! For it is written, " 'You shall worship the Lord your God and in Him only serve.'' Jesus reply to satan when tempted.
"Get behind me, satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man."
Jesus reply to Peter when he rebuked Jesus.
Want to guess what my answer to you might be.
You've made claims about God, now it's time for you to prove them, I bet you are going to give me some excuse why you do not need to.
Could be that Kim Jung Un will not be judged as harshly as what might be coming your way.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
