Attributes, Probability and the God Index

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Did you use logic to propose logic isn't bound to the being?

I could, if you want me to. But ultimately, if you're relying on a circular logic to support anything, you're nuts.

It sounded like you in fact were using circular logic to be able to say that you can logically show logic doesn't apply to God. Clearly, you're using logic to investigate what it is about this being that does't allow you to apply logic to it.

It's why I try my damnedest to avoid logic wherever it's found.

Geewiz! Then why should I believe anything you write has any bearing on anything if it isn't grounded on any reasoning whatsoever? That's not a very convincing thing to say just before you delve into logical arguments about why reality is in my mind.

What I meant by "it would be painful" is that if the concept of a stapler in my mind was literally a stapler, then I would be dead, as a stapler inside my brain wouldn't work very well for me. All I'm saying is that a concept and an object representing said concept are two different things.

Are they different things? Are you dreaming again, Susan? Looks like a nightmare... OHIMSOSORRY-I didn't realize that was just you in the mirror TT__TT

Ask a surgeon to insert a stapler into your mind, then get back to me, if possible.

I can not only provide proof that everything exists, I can also prove that all things exist, and I can even go ahead and prove that nothing exists too... now that's something. What's better, I can do it all with just logic. Abstract things ain't things and don't exist, I'm totally with you broski. I mean, the mind couldn't possibly be a part of reality at all... THAT WOULD BE SENSELESS. Madness, even. Time for pointless music to go with your nonsense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=682pneYoP0c

I think we're using two different definitions of "existence". For something to exist, it needs to occupy a part of space. This undeniably leads to this object having intrinsic properties. Sure enough, under my definition, a concept exists in the mind because there are particles in your mind that give you that thought of the concept. The particles are in no way the same as the particles that make up the object outside your mind where you can see it. Otherwise, that stapler would have killed me by now...

I don't see how you can conclude that. The bus I take to uni isn't a concept. It's a solid object I can interact with.

And I'll bet you think that, don't you? And your evidence that the bus is not all in your head is... where? [/Quote]

Ah, you're right. The concept that I attach to the object is in my mind.. the bus is in my mind. Wait, no it isn't because that wouldn't be very good for my brain.

The concept and the object are two different things.

Solipsists got it right, doesn't stop them from being faithless whores. Only thing that you can demonstrate exists is *YOU*, and you can't even know 'WHAT THE QUALITIES OF YOUR EXISTENCE ARE' without taking your observations upon faith. All that must be necessarily true about objective existence... is that 'you' are part of it. You might be all of it, or some of it... but one thing is for sure: you aren't none of it.

Why do you act as if you are a part of the world? Why do you avoid fire, for example? We're all just floating minds after all.

Wait... Earth-worms don't have eyes?! JUST HOW FREAKING PRIMITIVE IS YOUR PLANET?!



Anyway, you just proved my point: they can't experience tv like we can. I'll let you think on it

Yep. They can't experience tv like us. *twiddles thumbs*