RE: Meliorism - The rise of neo-atheism and the fall of reason
April 18, 2013 at 4:02 am
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2013 at 4:02 am by ManMachine.)
(April 17, 2013 at 6:49 pm)frz Wrote: Oh come on, read your own words in this very same quote on your reply to cat123. What cause and meaning to life are you looking for and why do we need to invoke something, agent as you say to give us cause. And what kinda atheist call the other members, "these atheists or you atheists? Sounds like someone is not part of said group. If you were trying to be a mole, though I don't see the point, or you failed miserably.
The point I am making, which you seem to be failing to grasp is that I reject the notion of human progress precisely because it requires teleological thought structures, which are unscientific and not supportable through empirical evidence.
If you hold science up as a reasonable method for examining the world (and I believe it is) you cannot then say it has led to human progress, because that is unscientific. More relevant is the fact that this notion of human progress is formed from a cast-off Christian dogma.
As an atheist, I think it is improtant we recognise where the fragments of Christian dogma lurk in our ideologies.
As for being 'part of a group', being an atheist is not a social choice for me it's a personal assertion that there is no god(s). As far as I'm concerned there is no 'group' just individuals with a variety of opinions, ideologies and philosophies who agree on one point, that there are no deities.
This is hilarious,
"Sounds like someone is not part of said group. If you were trying to be a mole, though I don't see the point, or you failed miserably."
Paranoia much?
MM
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
