Show me your proof

[The Grand Nudger]

Something that consistently eludes the god fearin crowd is that all this "logical coherency" and reasons for suns burning out (or even existing- specifically as tey relate to us) are further support of a universe and life that has no need for a god even if there were one.

Let's be clear. There is no reason - whatsoever -if magic- that any of this natural shit is required (and -if magic- it's all ultimately magic). -If magic- we could be carbon based lifeforms in a universe utterly devoid of carbon beyond our bodies. There would be no need for carbon anywhere else. We could be temp sensitive and persist in the absence of a star (and further, stars would not be required for light..nor would they need to burn anything to produce it- nor is there any requirement for "burning" of anything at all). I've often dropped a quip into conversations in partial jest about how great the evidence would be for -some- creative and sustaining force if we could not determine how we managed to survive -and where indeed aware that the environment was entirely un-permissive to our survival....and yet we existed. That would make me think twice. But as it stands, all we have are nuts and bolts. I love the nuts and bolts, I feel awe and wonder about the nuts and bolts - but I;m not surprised that they work..because they're fucking nuts and bolts. That nuts and bolts work together definitely doesn't suggest some sort of god to me.

Now some of that above probably sounds absurd, because it is, because we do not live in such a universe - we don't imagine it to be possible. But..-if magic- why not -this magic-...meanwhile, all of this stars burning until they expend their fuel, life having requirements....this is what we would expect sans gods, sans magic.