If Not Hell then what?

[DeistPaladin]

I was just giving you all an oppertunity to express what you thought to be a viable option to Hell rather than just complain about how unfair God is.

I'm struggling to understand your thinking here. You seem to be asking me for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

If I understand you correctly, this is the "what am I going to do with you" speech. The reason you're never going to get anywhere with this is because there is nothing to justify.

I honestly think 'going to the stars' is what we are meant to do for eternity.

The universe doesn't care what you think. Belief doesn't make something so.

However what I can not phathom is how persumptious the idea is that 'we' as a people believe we have it all figured out only after a few hundred years of searching. Or at least figured out enough so you can claim that your version of reality is the only one.

It's the only one we either know of or can prove exists.

I don't "presuppose naturalism" as the accusation often goes. I'm just consistent in my reasoning. You also lack any belief in other supernatural forces that aren't part of your faith. You don't believe in Zeus, Odin or Ra. You reject the Muslim Hell and the Hindu ideas of reincarnation. You just engage in special pleading for your favorite god and afterlife scheme. And then you use argument from ignorance as you imply I have to somehow prove that your alternate reality doesn't exist.

From the moment I open my eyes when I wake to when I close them to go to sleep, the natural world is all we experience and all we can study. No evidence has ever been offered for your favorite brand of supernatural thinking. The burden of proof is on you to convince me why I should take yours or any other brand of superstition seriously.

If there is a God then why would you assume you only get one shot? Why would God operate this way after going though all of the trouble of creation without giving any information as to the nature of the 'brass ring' or that we only have one shot at it?

I didn't say I assume. I said I'm prepared for the possibility.

I always deal with worst case scenario when confronting my worries. It helps when you realize that even if the worst happens, you can deal with it.

Again because most of you complain without any point or end goal. If you truly believed that this God had no power I believe there would not be a discussion. I that is why I believe that there is enough doubt in your (generally speaking) mind to want to argue the fairness of Hell.

because, if God can be found 'unjust' or 'immoral' then one is morally obligated NOT to follow Him, thus giving you the appearance of moral justification/Judgement day defense strageity. Which makes me wonder if God's 'a' plan is Hell for those who do not want to be with Him, then what would be the pop morallity version of the 'a' plan.

The problem with your god is not that he isn't just. The problem with your god is that people believe in him. It is not me who requires justification for simply existing and being skeptical of fantastic claims that are backed with no evidence. It is you who need to justify your beliefs and how they are either moral or rational.