If Not Hell then what?

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Neither does God. I was just giving you all an oppertunity to express what you thought to be a viable option to Hell rather than just complain about how unfair God is.

This, and the way you phrased your OP makes me think that you can't imagine any other possibility, like the idea of simply not torturing nonbelievers isn't even something that has crossed your mind: "Of course god would send you to hell. I literally can't think of another thing that could be done." If that's true, it says a lot about you.

But I'd remind you that you consider your god to be at least more intelligent than I, which means he'd clearly be able to figure out this simple "not hellfire" variant of an afterlife. You do seem to give your deity way little credit.

I honestly think 'going to the stars' is what we are meant to do for eternity.

When science eventually takes us there under our own power, your god will have to think up a better reward for mindless obeisance.

The universe does not change, you are right there. However what I can not phathom is how persumptious the idea is that 'we' as a people believe we have it all figured out only after a few hundred years of searching. Or at least figured out enough so you can claim that your version of reality is the only one.

Said the man claiming to have exclusive knowledge of the creator of the universe and everything therein... Who, exactly, is claiming to have it all figured out, again?

Again because most of you complain without any point or end goal.

If I'm getting stabbed in the chest, do I really need to give the stabber some alternative course of action he could be taking? Why is "don't fucking stab me!" not sufficient direction?

If you truly believed that this God had no power I believe there would not be a discussion. I that is why I believe that there is enough doubt in your (generally speaking) mind to want to argue the fairness of Hell.

Right, that's why all my discussions of Doctor Who speak to my secret belief in Time Lords.

One day, Doctor... *caresses toy sonic screwdriver lovingly, with a sigh.*

because, if God can be found 'unjust' or 'immoral' then one is morally obligated NOT to follow Him, thus giving you the appearance of moral justification/Judgement day defense strageity. Which makes me wonder if God's 'a' plan is Hell for those who do not want to be with Him, then what would be the pop morallity version of the 'a' plan.

Are you fucking kidding me? One only needs to look to Abraham following the order to sacrifice his son to see that an immoral god does not demand that his credulous peons stop following him.

Also, you're doing that "telling me what I believe" thing that I hate so much. Well, while you're at it, would you like to extend it out a little? Tell me why I'm not planning to thwart the afterlife plans of the muslim god I secretly believe in too? I mean, seriously: you're taking a big leap by assuming our "Secret beliefs" are necessarily christian denominational.

I could provide you with proof, but it would only be a one way ticket.. That is why I refered you to A/S/K as luke 11 point out.

What a great way to cover up for a lie: "I could show you proof, but I won't for whatever reason."

Not to mention Hell is a void, so unless those people can call into existance all that is needed, then they will be SOL.

Why can't we convince Satan to do it? I've never understood why he plays into god's hands by making hell unpleasant...