If Not Hell then what?

[Drich]

I agree with you.

good.

In this case might makes right. God holds the keys to eternal life and death in His hands and has set forth a standard in which we have to live by or find attonement for.

I see. So, if I am stronger than you, I have the right to do anything I want to you, because my might makes me right and your weakness makes you wrong. That means that I am right and God is wrong, since I am more powerful than a non-existent being. Lucky for you, I'm such a nice guy.

Reread the first sentence in my orginal statement.

Then, you just need to A/S/K me a little harder. Obviously, you're doing it wrong.

i admitted to as much. I f you were to be worshiped as God I would simply refuse, like many of you refuse to A/S/K I would refuse to A/S/K because my 'morality' would not allow it.

That is subtly different from what I am saying. If there is a being with absolute dominion over everything, then that is that. I would no more argue this is immoral than I would argue that it is immoral that a star has the power to destroy me.

Even if I was to go along with your nonsense and say that there is an omnipotent, omniscient god who created the universe, that itself is not a problem. I argue this point because it's a claim with no evidence, not because I find the idea inherently negative.

Not a true statement. There is evidence to all who A/S/K for it. Which would indicate your not looking for real evidence. You are looking for socially accepted evidence.

What my self-righteousness tells me is that power comes with responsibility. The reason I find your god repulsive is

Because He has not bent His will to match your version of righteousness.

because your god is irresponsible and abusive and relishes in hurting, killing, and controlling people and all of it is entirely unnecessary (an omnipotent being does NOTHING unless it is to get a specific result), so he is doing it because he likes it. When a child starves, and dies in agony, it is because God explicitly wants that child to suffer. When a woman is raped, it is because he desires it to happen. All a part of the plan, right? Free will doesn't matter. When an infant is raped and dies choking on the rapist's condom, that is not the infant's free will. That is your god's will. He is guilty of either not acting to step in and save a defenseless child, or of intentionally provoking its death.

We chose (and continue to choose) to live in a world of sin, where 'Morality' reigns. Because everyone has their own version of 'morality' we have everything you have pointed out above.

But, I forgot, I'm wasting my time explaining this to you. If God wants a child to die choking on a rapist's condom, that rape was a good and righteous action, according to you.

That I do not dispute, so long as you can live blind, deaf and dumb to everything outside of what this life currently has shown you.

Just one god out of thousands, remember that. I'm not impressed. I see nothing about your claims which sounds more reasonable than what wiccans or Hindus claim.

Would you still want this 'oblivion' if it meant 1000 years of Helll fire? 10,000? a Million? Billion? Trillion? 1/2 of eternity? How long would you endure Hellish torment, for this oblivion you currently seek?

As long as it takes. Only a coward can be threatened into loving someone.

I asked, which of you was right? You didn't answer that question. What you did was decide you didn't like their answers and went somewhere where everyone agreed with you. Talk about self-righteous.

Because it was not a matter of right and wrong. It was a matter of following the rules of a god centered sociall club. If I wanted to be a member of said social club then I had to follow those rules. As it turned out I did not want me or mine to be apart of a God centered Social club. So I sought out a bible based Church.

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You only allow your “experience” to be “classified” as a dream for the sake of lowly unbelievers? Pure, unmitigated jack-assery. Your state of delusion is palpable, yet so typical.

P.s. I like hearing what you have to say. If not for the sheer comedic entertainment value, then as a pathetic reminder that we are all surrounded by myth-believing charlatans and fools.

You do know how insults work right? It's not just a matter of putting someone down. For an insult to work the one being insulted must first value the person who is doing the insulting on some level. As you are nothing more to me than empty ideals on a screen, what you have to say means very little to me.

That said if you like what I have to say then simply keep asking questions. I do not care one way or another why you like reading what I think. My only concern is to give you an oppertunity to hear what the bible says in relation to what you have asked. So save you zingers for the christian desperatly seeking your personal approval, as an atheist, on an atheist website.

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I am suprised the Pagans have not filed law suits against the Christians for stealing their myth of Hades/ Hell . This evil doctrin crept its way into "christiandom" via a few badly translated words and pagan inspired interpretations, which financially has served the hierarchy very very well. hence they promote this endless torture conspiracy, allthough its very foundation is built on sand , as there are Hebrew OT + Greek NT manuscripts this is easly de-bunked, but try tell impartially, an indoctrinated Christian theologians word by word what is actually written in the scriptures, and they will spit skin roasting hell fire at you . There is nothing "christiandom" hates more than someone who lays bare there un-Biblical heresy .

That (in part) is what this thread is about. Seperating the 'pagan' version of Hell from the biblical account. In truth aside from being an unpleasent place, there is not much Hell has to do with 'hades.'