Spiritual enlightenment

[theVOID]

What isn't deluded about convincing yourself of something you have absolutely know way of honestly knowing is true? People are free to speculate about and contemplate whatever possible scenario they want without my criticism, but when they take their purely internal contemplation and treat it as if they have discovered some universal truth from no other place than their own minds then i will rightly call them a fucktard.

If you cannot read their minds, your claim that it is total nonsense will be pretty much your own personal unsubstantiated truth. Why not ask for their arguments first?

I can rationally rule out by default the idea that one can arrive at understanding of anything other than their own toughs through self reflection, it would matter not what they had claimed, you can only find yourself in you own mind, or imagine something all your own.

The only truth you can garner from your own mind is a personal truth, a statement of intent or action that you the individual control - the idea that knowledge about an external event can be obtained solely through the mind is blatantly retarded, all knowledge outside of ourselves can only be obtained from observing outside ourselves, no exception.

You presuppose that the personal knowledge is obtained exclusively by an internal personal mystical assessment. But there is no formal restraint like that for becoming enlightened. A scientist could become enlightened. In the process of becoming enlightened all his scientific background would be input. Also there is the fact that science itself can give no absolute answers. IMO we should be skeptical in all circumstances of ultimate truth claims, but we cannot dismiss such claims beforehand with simply yelling “your claim is bullshit!”. The crucial point is that scientific claims require falsifiability, ie the claims must be stated in a way that makes clear hoiw it can be falsified. So the question is, are these claims of enlightenment falsifiable. Is it possible to put those claims to the test. If the enlightened one refuses to share arguments and verifiable facts, then I agree with you such claims can alltogether be dismissed, like the claim of the christian who has a personal hotline with god but fails to demonstrate this.

Question: Is atheism a level of enlightenment, a personal truth garnered from our own mind?

No no no, personal knowledge is obtained by thinking about things, that's simple, you don't need to be the type of mystical dick-head i utterly despise to get that, it's a natural process. What i am saying is utter bullshit is the idea that anyone can obtain information about a great universal truth from solely inside their own heads!

Someone could make a claim, i would consider it. But if that same person said their claim about enlightened knowledge came entirely from their own internal perspective i would immediately call their bullshit. There is no way of knowing something you don't already have the ability to know in the mind - all the real truth is outside us and existed long long before us.

Since when has an 'enlightened' person EVER given facts about what they think they know? They arrived at a conclusion that they absolutely can't know and stuck to it. That's just plain bad thinking!