RE: Atheism and suicide
May 5, 2013 at 4:53 am
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2013 at 4:58 am by Fidel_Castronaut.)
(May 5, 2013 at 4:13 am)mralstoner Wrote:(May 5, 2013 at 3:48 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: I don't want a movement, I don't want a leader telling me what to fucking do, and I certainly don't want to be viewed as a 'credible group'.You do, in effect, favour a movement. Let's call it: radical individualism.
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Did you not read what I wrote in response to your point? Why are you judging my perspective on philosophical/political/social norms and realities based purely on my atheism?
Don't tell me what I do and don't want. You know nothing about me.
(May 5, 2013 at 4:13 am)mralstoner Wrote: You paint my in the other extreme corner, let's call me: homogeneous fascist.
STRAWMAN.
Now you're just debating with yourself. I've not once called you a homogenizing fascist (??? Nonsensical term, nonsensical post). I made a point about the futility of collectivization through atheism, but you've seemingly equated that to all philosophical and political viewpoints. Again, utter nonsense.
(May 5, 2013 at 4:13 am)mralstoner Wrote: There's a whole world in between these two demented extremes, but your mind is so black-and-white that I'm not even going to bother debating you.
There's nothing to debate. You're wrong. It's really that simple. Atheism is nothing like what you describe, so at this point, its you debating with yourself. Have fun, snookams!
(May 5, 2013 at 4:13 am)mralstoner Wrote: If you want to be a radical individualist then fine, but it's kind of ironic that you want to deprive me of the right to building something more substantial, ordered, compelling, instructive, educational, fulfilling, powerful, and lasting than individual anarchy (which will be consigned to the dust-bin of history by the first ordered/cohesive group that rises in the power vacuum that radical individualism leaves). History is about the struggle between groups. Only ordered/functional/cohesive groups survive. It's called group fitness, I believe, in evolutionary terms. Atheists, of all people, should understand this.
You can build whatever you want, but please, stop strawmanning me and replying to invented positions you imagine others to hold.
You've completely missed the point of what I wrote in my last post, so, I'll take up your mantra and agree that debating with someone who enjoys inventing opinions that others hold and investing time in demolishing them is not worth while. You clearly didn't read what I had written and instead transposed my perfectly valid and consensual point about atheism onto, seemingly, everything else.
Enjoy creating your 'collective of atheists' cupcake, I'm sure you'll get a large show of hands from people on here that think you're totally rational and worth the time.
