Spiritual enlightenment

[Purple Rabbit]

If you cannot read their minds, your claim that it is total nonsense will be pretty much your own personal unsubstantiated truth. Why not ask for their arguments first?

I can rationally rule out by default the idea that one can arrive at understanding of anything other than their own toughs through self reflection, it would matter not what they had claimed, you can only find yourself in you own mind, or imagine something all your own.

Again, this answer is much to easy for me. I take it you know what solipsism is? You can't rule out by reason the possibility that all that exists somehow arises from your own mind. This would mean that there exists nothing besides you and your statement looses all meaning. Also, if you mean plain denial with 'ruliing out by default' you're not really using reason.

No no no, personal knowledge is obtained by thinking about things, that's simple, you don't need to be the type of mystical dick-head i utterly despise to get that, it's a natural process. What i am saying is utter bullshit is the idea that anyone can obtain information about a great universal truth from solely inside their own heads!

Things like cogito ergo sum?

Someone could make a claim, i would consider it. But if that same person said their claim about enlightened knowledge came entirely from their own internal perspective i would immediately call their bullshit. There is no way of knowing something you don't already have the ability to know in the mind - all the real truth is outside us and existed long long before us.

Then where do mathematical truths reside?

Since when has an 'enlightened' person EVER given facts about what they think they know? They arrived at a conclusion that they absolutely can't know and stuck to it. That's just plain bad thinking!

An example would help. You seem to respond to some image of the enlightened that arises exclusively from your internal perspective. Practice what you preach.