Quote:I don't know what you would count as "indisputable facts" but I've got 3 philosophical arguments that I'm thinking off the top of my head:
An indisputable fact is one that nearly everyone believes is true (there are alway some nutcases who are willing to disupute any fact) such as the fact the Holocaust occurred, the US landed on the moon, life exists, the universe exists and so forth. A fact is one that can be used as evidence in a court of law. That's what evidence is, facts that comport with a belief.
You couldn't submit philosophical arguments as evidence...their just arguments.
Quote:You are completely unable to show me any physical evidence of your god.
Argument over.
I agree there is no direct physical evidence of God's existence just as for example their is no direct evidence of black holes or other universes. There is no direct evidence anything caused the universe to exist but we infer a cause because the overwhelming majority of things (if indeed not all things) that begin to exist can be traced back to a cause. Even though there is no direct evidence of blackholes (they can't be directly observed or tested) the indirect evidence of their existence is strong enough that the existence of black holes has been established as fact. I don't want to turn this into the case for theism argument...I've already done that. There are facts and evidence (the existence of the universe, the existence of life, the existence of sentient life, the fact that conditions that allowed our existence obtained) that provide a basis for hypothesizing the existence of a Creator who intentionally caused the universe for the purpose of sentient life.
The idea of creating a model (even if only a thought model) is to propose an idea and see how well it dovetails with available evidence if true. Atheism if true means we owe our existence and that of the universe to some non-god non-intelligent non-intended cause that resulted in a universe coming into existence as well as sentient life. If atheism is true (there is no God or Creator) then life came from non-life and sentient life came from non-sentient life and such occured not as a result of plan or intent but minus any plan or intent for it to occur. You say you reject the existence of God due to lack of direct physical evidence God exists. What evidence then leads you to believe that mindless forces without plan or intent caused something totally unlike itself (life and sentience) to exist?
