(May 8, 2013 at 2:19 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: I agree there is no direct physical evidence of God's existence just as for example their is no direct evidence of black holes or other universes.
A cloud of gas is in the process of being consumed by the black hole at the centre our gallaxy and is being watched very closely.
As for other universes, they are an interesting hypothosis but without proof it is not to be believed.
Quote: There is no direct evidence anything caused the universe to exist
The Universe exists.
Either it has always been or it suddenly came into existence
Quote:but we infer a cause because the overwhelming majority of things (if indeed not all things) that begin to exist can be traced back to a cause. Even though there is no direct evidence of blackholes (they can't be directly observed or tested) the indirect evidence of their existence is strong enough that the existence of black holes has been established as fact. I don't want to turn this into the case for theism argument...I've already done that. There are facts and evidence (the existence of the universe, the existence of life, the existence of sentient life, the fact that conditions that allowed our existence obtained) that provide a basis for hypothesizing the existence of a Creator who intentionally caused the universe for the purpose of sentient life.
Huge leap of faith there at the end, why go the magic route it isn't needed?
Quote:The idea of creating a model (even if only a thought model) is to propose an idea and see how well it dovetails with available evidence if true. Atheism if true means we owe our existence and that of the universe to some non-god non-intelligent non-intended cause that resulted in a universe coming into existence as well as sentient life. If atheism is true (there is no God or Creator) then life came from non-life and sentient life came from non-sentient life and such occured not as a result of plan or intent but minus any plan or intent for it to occur. You say you reject the existence of God due to lack of direct physical evidence God exists. What evidence then leads you to believe that mindless forces without plan or intent caused something totally unlike itself (life and sentience) to exist?
Because no mystery when solved has ever turned out to be magic.
You want there to be a god and try to fit him in gaps in our knowledge.
These gaps will shrink and it will have nowhere to go, but people like you will still believe because you want to.
And that's fine.
Just don't pretend that it is in any way rational.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.