Godschild said:
No that is not a dumb statement, you just don't like seeing your God being held to account for the horrible things which he does. What he did was set Adam and Eve for a fall that he knew full well they would take. Had he so chose he could have made it different. But I suppose that would have ruined the fun he had traumatizing these two naifs. What could they know? They had no experience with the world, this was supposed to be Paradise, right?
That is why I said that they where child-like. They just got there, they had no experience, they had no knowledge. He did not want them to have any. They may have been adult in size, but they did not have adult experience, adult learning, adult knowledge. There is no way that they could have had any of that. Nor was there any indication that God would have ever given them any if things had worked out differently.
Not that they ever would have. He knew, being omnimax as he is, what was going to happen. He knew that they would eat of the tree, and that they would be cast out into the cold, cruel world to fend for themselves. Quite frankly, Adam and Eve got shafted, big time.
I am sorry that you took it that way. I did not think that you thought parents were evil for bringing children into the world. However, you brought it up.
As human parents my wife and I had no say whatever in what kind of world we lived in. So we live in the world as we find it, and prepared our children as best we could to function within it and prosper. Happily it worked out. We made do with the world as it is. God could make it however he wanted it. And what he wanted to do was to play a dirty trick.
That is evil, in my book.
Quote:Saved everybody a bit of trouble, that's a dumb statement, If God had created man as sinners you would still be complaining, "oh why did God do this to us, oh why." Your problem is you can not accept reality.
Are you saying that parents do not realize that the world is going to throw bad situations at their children? That would be irresponsible at the least. So I see it as apples to apples.
No that is not a dumb statement, you just don't like seeing your God being held to account for the horrible things which he does. What he did was set Adam and Eve for a fall that he knew full well they would take. Had he so chose he could have made it different. But I suppose that would have ruined the fun he had traumatizing these two naifs. What could they know? They had no experience with the world, this was supposed to be Paradise, right?
That is why I said that they where child-like. They just got there, they had no experience, they had no knowledge. He did not want them to have any. They may have been adult in size, but they did not have adult experience, adult learning, adult knowledge. There is no way that they could have had any of that. Nor was there any indication that God would have ever given them any if things had worked out differently.
Not that they ever would have. He knew, being omnimax as he is, what was going to happen. He knew that they would eat of the tree, and that they would be cast out into the cold, cruel world to fend for themselves. Quite frankly, Adam and Eve got shafted, big time.
Quote:You say that if I believe you're evil because you brought children into the world, I do not know how you could get that from what I said, it must be because you want to see the worst in Christians.
Actually I'm glad everything worked out for your family, a lot are not that blessed.
I am sorry that you took it that way. I did not think that you thought parents were evil for bringing children into the world. However, you brought it up.
Quote:When parents bring a child into the world are they being evil, they knowingly are exposing the child to all the dangers this world has to offer. Is this loving the child, or an evil act by allowing the child to have to experience all the world can throw at the child.That is how you put it. I'm just saying that what God did according to Genesis, I my estimation was quite evil indeed. He set the rules.
This is the reasoning you are using with God, so by your reasoning parents are evil by bring a child into this world.
As human parents my wife and I had no say whatever in what kind of world we lived in. So we live in the world as we find it, and prepared our children as best we could to function within it and prosper. Happily it worked out. We made do with the world as it is. God could make it however he wanted it. And what he wanted to do was to play a dirty trick.
That is evil, in my book.
“To terrify children with the image of hell, to consider women an inferior creation—is that good for the world?”
― Christopher Hitchens
"That fear first created the gods is perhaps as true as anything so brief could be on so great a subject". - George Santayana
"If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed". - George Carlin
― Christopher Hitchens
"That fear first created the gods is perhaps as true as anything so brief could be on so great a subject". - George Santayana
"If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed". - George Carlin
