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Is this a contradiction or am I reading it wrong? Genesis 5:28
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Is this a contradiction or am I reading it wrong? Genesis 5:28
Hello dudes.
It has been a year since I visited the forums.


Genesis 5:28 KING JAMES VERSION
And Lamech lived an 802 years, and begat a son: {5:29} And he called his name Noah, saying, This [same] shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed. {5:30} And Lamech lived after he begat Noah 585 years, and begat sons and daughters: {5:31} And all the days of Lamech were 777 years: and he died. {5:32} And Noah was 500 years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

^^^^^Hmmmm Lamech lived 802 y and later on it says he lived 777 y and he died.
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RE: Is this a contradiction or am I reading it wrong? Genesis 5:28
The bible has a contradiction?! :o

Here are a few more. (By few I mean all of them)
http://www.lyingforjesus.org/Bible-Contradictions/
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RE: Is this a contradiction or am I reading it wrong? Genesis 5:28
(March 14, 2023 at 11:59 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Hello dudes.
It has been a year since I visited the forums.


Genesis 5:28 KING JAMES VERSION
And Lamech lived an 802 years, and begat a son: {5:29} And he called his name Noah, saying, This [same] shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed. {5:30} And Lamech lived after he begat Noah 585 years, and begat sons and daughters: {5:31} And all the days of Lamech were 777 years: and he died. {5:32} And Noah was 500 years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

^^^^^Hmmmm Lamech lived 802 y and later on it says he lived 777 y and he died.



He said all the days were 777 years.   Maybe those years just had more days.

Let’s see, when did each year have 380 days so that 777 years would have had as many days as 802 years do now?  

Hmmm, according to some remarkable sedimentary disposition that exhibit individual layers laid down with each tide, a year had around 380 days somewhere between the Devonian and Carboniferous ears about 350-400 million years ago.

Thus, if we believe Snow Track’s assertion that the genesis is an “flawlessly” accurate account of the history of the earth, then we may infer Lamech was a reptile.
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RE: Is this a contradiction or am I reading it wrong? Genesis 5:28
(March 14, 2023 at 11:59 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Hello dudes.
It has been a year since I visited the forums.


Genesis 5:28 KING JAMES VERSION
And Lamech lived an 802 years, and begat a son: {5:29} And he called his name Noah, saying, This [same] shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed. {5:30} And Lamech lived after he begat Noah 585 years, and begat sons and daughters: {5:31} And all the days of Lamech were 777 years: and he died. {5:32} And Noah was 500 years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

^^^^^Hmmmm Lamech lived 802 y and later on it says he lived 777 y and he died.

Your KJV must have a misprint. Mine says he ‘…lived 182 years and begat a son.’ Noah was born when Lamech was 182, Lamech died at 777.  It also says that Lamech lived 595 years after Noah’s birth, so the maths work out just fine.

Boru
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RE: Is this a contradiction or am I reading it wrong? Genesis 5:28
Numbers in the OT were more symbolic than quantitatives. Perhaps God trusted that post-modern interpretors could see the difference.
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RE: Is this a contradiction or am I reading it wrong? Genesis 5:28
^apologetics

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RE: Is this a contradiction or am I reading it wrong? Genesis 5:28
That's how it is with the Bible: The right hand often doesn't know what the left hand is doing, and it is especially evident in numbers. For example, in identical stories, 1 Kings 5:16 says that 3,300 chief officers were involved, while 2 Chron. 2:18 says it was 3,600 overseers, a difference of 300 people. In another story 1 Kings 4:26 says 40,000 stalls were involved, while the same account in 2 Chron. 9:25 says it was 4,000 stalls. 2 Samuel 8:4 says 700 horsemen, while the same account in 1 Chron. 18:4 says 7,000. In 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah is twenty-two years old when he began to reign, while 2 Chron. 22:2 says he was forty-two. 2 Samuel 6:23 says Michal had no sons, while 2 Sam. 21:8 says she had five sons.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Is this a contradiction or am I reading it wrong? Genesis 5:28
(March 14, 2023 at 7:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(March 14, 2023 at 11:59 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Hello dudes.
It has been a year since I visited the forums.


Genesis 5:28 KING JAMES VERSION
And Lamech lived an 802 years, and begat a son: {5:29} And he called his name Noah, saying, This [same] shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed. {5:30} And Lamech lived after he begat Noah 585 years, and begat sons and daughters: {5:31} And all the days of Lamech were 777 years: and he died. {5:32} And Noah was 500 years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

^^^^^Hmmmm Lamech lived 802 y and later on it says he lived 777 y and he died.

Your KJV must have a misprint. Mine says he ‘…lived 182 years and begat a son.’ Noah was born when Lamech was 182, Lamech died at 777.  It also says that Lamech lived 595 years after Noah’s birth, so the maths work out just fine.

Boru

Sorry, my mistake. It is indeed 182. I misread the old english or late old english or early modern english or whatever this is.

So, it is 182 + 595 = 777
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RE: Is this a contradiction or am I reading it wrong? Genesis 5:28
(March 14, 2023 at 10:20 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: That's how it is with the Bible: The right hand often doesn't know what the left hand is doing, and it is especially evident in numbers. For example, in identical stories, 1 Kings 5:16 says that 3,300 chief officers were involved, while 2 Chron. 2:18 says it was 3,600 overseers, a difference of 300 people. In another story 1 Kings 4:26 says 40,000 stalls were involved, while the same account in 2 Chron. 9:25 says it was 4,000 stalls. 2 Samuel 8:4 says 700 horsemen, while the same account in 1 Chron. 18:4 says 7,000. In 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah is twenty-two years old when he began to reign, while 2 Chron. 22:2 says he was forty-two. 2 Samuel 6:23 says Michal had no sons, while 2 Sam. 21:8 says she had five sons.

Let’s see what the text says.

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1 Kings 5:16 KING JAMES VERSION
Beside the chief of Solomon's officers which were over the work, three thousand and three hundred, which ruled over the people that wrought in the work.

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2 Chronicles 2:18 KING JAMES VERSION
And he set threescore and ten thousand of them to be bearers of burdens, and fourscore thousand to be hewers in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred overseers to set the people a work.

3300 vs 3600
Reasoning: usually, the storyteller tries to hit numbers with 3, 7, 12, 40 and numbers based on them such as 300, 333, 700, 770, 777, 400, 4000, etc.
These are magical numbers for the jews or certain ancient cultures.

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1 Kings 4:26 KING JAMES VERSION
And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen. {4:27} And those officers provided victual for king Solomon, and for all that came unto king Solomon's table, every man in his

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2 Chronicles 9:25 KING JAMES VERSION
And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed  in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem. {9:26} And he reigned over a

40,000 vs 4000
12,000 vs 12,000
Reasoning: usually, the storyteller tries to hit numbers with 3, 7, 12, 40 and numbers based on them such as 300, 333, 700, 770, 777, 400, 4000, etc.
These are magical numbers for the jews or certain ancient cultures.

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2 Samuel 8:4 KING JAMES VERSION (Pattern match with 1 Chronicles 18:4)
And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: and David houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them for an hundred chariots. {8:5} And when the Syrians of Dama


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1 Chronicles 18:4 KING JAMES VERSION
And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: David also houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them an hundred chariots. {18:5} And when the Syrians of Damascus came to help Hadarezer king of Zobah, David slew of the Syrians two and twenty

1000 vs 1000
Reasoning: Numbers divisible by 10 are numbers that humans like, such as 50, 100, 1000, 10,000, etc.

700 vs 7000
Reasoning: usually, the storyteller tries to hit numbers with 3, 7, 12, 40 and numbers based on them such as 300, 333, 700, 770, 777, 400, 4000, etc.
These are magical numbers for the jews or certain ancient cultures.

20,000 vs 20,000
Reasoning: Numbers divisible by 10 are numbers that humans like, such as 50, 100, 1000, 10,000, etc.

100 vs 100
Reasoning: Numbers divisible by 10 are numbers that humans like, such as 50, 100, 1000, 10,000, etc.

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2 Kings 8:26 KING JAMES VERSION (Pattern match with 2 Chronicles 22:2)
Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother’s name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel. {8:27} And he walked in the way of the house of Ahab, a


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2 Chronicles 22:2 KING JAMES VERSION
Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri. {22:3} He also walked in the ways of the house of Ahab: for his mother was

22 vs 42
22 and 42 are not divisible by 10 and they are not the usual magical numbers.
Maybe the author was trying to be realistic.

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2 Samuel 6:23 KING JAMES VERSION
Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death. {7:1} And it came to pass, when the king sat in his house, and the LORD had given him rest round about from all his enemies; {7:2} That the king said unto Nathan the prophet, See now, I dwell in an house of cedar, but the ark of God dwelleth within curtains. {7:3} And Nathan said to the king, Go, do all that is in thine heart; for the LORD is with thee. {7:4} And it came to pass

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2 Samuel 21:8 KING JAMES VERSION
But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite: {21:9} And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the LORD: and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of

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RE: Is this a contradiction or am I reading it wrong? Genesis 5:28
(March 14, 2023 at 9:25 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Numbers in the OT were more symbolic than quantitatives. Perhaps God trusted that post-modern interpretors could see the difference.

Perhaps god was merely exhibiting the full measure of the intellectual powers associated with nonexistence.
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