(May 12, 2013 at 6:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: What lie? What's zionist about the observation that the group of humans living in an area today are -not- the same as the groups living in those areas in the past?
The examples of it are almost all post 1492, post Columbus, and having to do with the Americas and Australia. There are no known examples of it in Europe or Asia. There are some well known examples such as Basques who were there so long they speak an Indo-European language.
There are examples of it from Africa but not many -- which is not surprising of course. The best known the Zulus were migrating south as the Afrikaans were migrating north and both "encouraging" the original population to get out of the way.
Quote:You can describe any piece of land as stolen, if all that it requires is displacement, which is the very best that you'll be able to do. Immigration, emigration and displacement are the running themes of the entirety of our history as a species.......
Name the displacements. There was one Sennacherib bragged about. There were ruling classes imported in some cases but not actual displacements or replacements, I am very interested in reading your list of them. The supposed Hadrian expulsion is no more than religious legend.
Quote:Tanks, rockets, and rocks are all essentially interchangeable for me. They fulfill the same purpose in the same manner.
Is your contention honestly that eastern europeans emigrating to a specific region for whatever reason robs the present political entity of any legitimacy? Good fucking luck. Would I have supported the establishment of Isreal as a nation? No, but it's here now, and it has real world problems. Problems which cannot be solved by pointing at "teh jews"........
If you are going to consider premeditated murder and theft as legitimate we do not share a common understanding of those words.
So what if it is there? They wiped Palestine off the map after 2500 or more years. No one misses Palestine. It will be no different when this first and only Israel ever to exist is gone. ALL of its problems exist because those problems are what the Zionists wanted. There is no sympathy for the fool who deliberately creates his own problems.
And if one is not pointing at the Jews, just who else is there to point to? They wanted it this way.
