are vegetarians more ethical by not eating meat?

[CleanShavenJesus]

Why would anyone want to change other people? Bit rude, isn't it?

What? That's not what I'm talking about. I'm not saying you should convert people to vegetarianism. I'm saying, if one is a vegetarian because they don't like the idea of eating the poor animals, or they're in any way disgusted by the idea of animals being killed, then they can go protest or lobby or petition or do something to benefit that. But I've seen way too many vegetarians think they're better than others because of their diet, which does nothing for what they think it does.

The reason I said this is because you quoted Ghandi's "be the change" line. You're not being the change. You're just being a vegetarian.

Like I said in my post further up on this page, you're not being the change. You're just not eating meat. That's not changing anything for anybody besides yourself.

Even if you completely leave aside the animals for whom it actually does change something whether they're killed or not, so even if you focus only on humans: A vegetarian diet has repeatedly been demonstrated to be less harmful for the environment, so it does change something for the quality of life of our current and future generations.

You're telling me that your dietary changes, individually, are helping the environment? Can you tell me how?

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No. It is fanatical to believe that preaching is a necessary condition to caring, as you did.

It is not.

You are of course welcome to your own opinion. It's when you attempt to foist your values upon others at the expense of their own that lands you in the fanatic's camp.

It is a necessary condition, it's no good shutting the fuck up. So you think speaking out against child abuse is fanatical? Having anti-war protests is fanatical? If I see something wrong, I will speak out, not just sit there like a fat oaf you fucking lazy git. Why don't you follow your own advice and stop preaching then? Wanker.

Wow, what shitty analogies.