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are vegetarians more ethical by not eating meat?
RE: are vegetarians more ethical by not eating meat?
(May 17, 2013 at 3:35 am)littleendian Wrote:
(May 16, 2013 at 7:15 pm)Sal Wrote: But I'm also realistic. Nature is nasty. The amount of suffering of animal-on-animal behavior is just abysmal. Not to mention the very nature of some animals that have their own taxonomy: parasites. Parasites cause untold suffering.
This is not a justification. Other's cruelty can never excuse our own.
Then people that buy factory meat from a grocery store are excused. They didn't kill the animals that constitutes those meat products.

(May 17, 2013 at 3:35 am)littleendian Wrote: Man is not primarily part of nature anymore, he/she is most importantly part of a culture today. This culture is subject to the rules society gives itself, it is not based on the rules of nature, a good example is rape, which is a fact of nature but outlawed by society.
Animals have culture, albeit a primitive one.

(May 17, 2013 at 3:35 am)littleendian Wrote:
(May 16, 2013 at 7:15 pm)Sal Wrote: So, let's not delude ourselves, there's enough of suffering to go around - if only idiots like PETA would realize this, or do they think they can lessen suffering in how nature is?
We can minimize the suffering we ourself cause, yes we can.
A pipe-dream, if I ever saw one. Very unrealistic. Problem is that we cannot control how others behave, is why I think it's a pipe-dream.


(May 17, 2013 at 3:35 am)littleendian Wrote:
(May 16, 2013 at 7:15 pm)Sal Wrote: I'd argue that free range animals have a better life than what occurs outside the fences with occurrence of natural predators ripping them apart.
I'd rather live free and in danger than a prisoner without great hopes or fears, my destiny set from the word go, to be killed in prime of life (old animals don't taste well).
That's anthropomorphizing on a grand scale. Animals don't know they're prisoners in the same sense humans know it. Dogs, for instance, don't call us master - they only act the way they act, because of how they've been selected for in their evolution.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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RE: are vegetarians more ethical by not eating meat? - by Sal - May 17, 2013 at 7:57 am

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