RE: are vegetarians more ethical by not eating meat?
May 19, 2013 at 12:30 pm
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2013 at 12:39 pm by Creed of Heresy.)
I'm going to just point out how significant the differences are. On a genetic level we're all very similar but here's the thing; we're genetically similar to bacteria. You wanna know how I base my differences off of? Like so:
Can animals build for aesthetics, for design, for multiple functions? Can they manipulate the environment surrounding them into an ordered fashion to serve themselves? Can they manipulate objects, or utilize social structures to utilize individual productivity? Can they communicate with one another?
No, no, and no. No. No, and no. And finally, no.
In other words there's a WORLD of difference between us and that's just scraping the iceberg. Shall I go into written communication, mathematics, space exploration? Shall I go into artwork? No I shan't because by then it'd just be humiliating you. Now, do tell me in what ways we are similar to animals, but without using any of the most obvious three similarities, namely being: Mammals [ergo warm-blooded], genetics [consider we are 68% similar in genetic code to trees and you'll see why I throw that idea out], common point of evolution. Also, what system of ethics are you talking about? Also, how does it apply? You keep making this nebulous claim first to morals, and now to ethics. Morals and Ethics 101 tip: Morals and ethics are two very different things and not interchangeable AT ALL, except in the minds of people who don't know what the fuck they're on about.
Also; feverishly posted up? "Feverishly?" Don't try to sound all florid, it just makes you come off even more like a condescending tool than you already are.
By the way, you wanna know how to butcher a cow? Here's a hint; you don't let it suffer. I might feel bad if the animals were killed in extremely slow, painful ways, but given how most the time it's a fucking bolt to the head when it comes to beef [meaning an instantaneous death, too fast for pain to even BEGIN to register on the nerve endings Wiki: before the vital life functions and the cerebral cortex itself are destroyed]. When it comes to pork, the pigs are knocked out before they're killed [both for humane reasons and for meat quality reasons; if the animal died in pain it'll mean a spike in adrenaline which ruins meat quality; this is why animals are killed quickly nowadays, in the economic and agri-cuisine terms] ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_slaughter ). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_slau...ted_States For listed means of animal slaughter. There are exceptions that crop up every so often in the US at least, but the FDA and USDA regulates this shit pretty intensely and when violations are found, they get fixed REALLY fucking fast.
So, that removes the issue of "pain," since the animals don't die in pain, they die instantly or are otherwise rendered into a state wherein they don't feel pain.
Think nothing of it, I admit my post might've been a touch rambling. I uh...I kinda get emotional about certain topics. Hence another reason why I said this guy has no read on me. I respect discourse, but I have no emotional patience for ideas that are patently false or unfounded being thrust forward in my face as if they are valid and right.
Can animals build for aesthetics, for design, for multiple functions? Can they manipulate the environment surrounding them into an ordered fashion to serve themselves? Can they manipulate objects, or utilize social structures to utilize individual productivity? Can they communicate with one another?
No, no, and no. No. No, and no. And finally, no.
In other words there's a WORLD of difference between us and that's just scraping the iceberg. Shall I go into written communication, mathematics, space exploration? Shall I go into artwork? No I shan't because by then it'd just be humiliating you. Now, do tell me in what ways we are similar to animals, but without using any of the most obvious three similarities, namely being: Mammals [ergo warm-blooded], genetics [consider we are 68% similar in genetic code to trees and you'll see why I throw that idea out], common point of evolution. Also, what system of ethics are you talking about? Also, how does it apply? You keep making this nebulous claim first to morals, and now to ethics. Morals and Ethics 101 tip: Morals and ethics are two very different things and not interchangeable AT ALL, except in the minds of people who don't know what the fuck they're on about.
Also; feverishly posted up? "Feverishly?" Don't try to sound all florid, it just makes you come off even more like a condescending tool than you already are.
By the way, you wanna know how to butcher a cow? Here's a hint; you don't let it suffer. I might feel bad if the animals were killed in extremely slow, painful ways, but given how most the time it's a fucking bolt to the head when it comes to beef [meaning an instantaneous death, too fast for pain to even BEGIN to register on the nerve endings Wiki: before the vital life functions and the cerebral cortex itself are destroyed]. When it comes to pork, the pigs are knocked out before they're killed [both for humane reasons and for meat quality reasons; if the animal died in pain it'll mean a spike in adrenaline which ruins meat quality; this is why animals are killed quickly nowadays, in the economic and agri-cuisine terms] ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_slaughter ). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_slau...ted_States For listed means of animal slaughter. There are exceptions that crop up every so often in the US at least, but the FDA and USDA regulates this shit pretty intensely and when violations are found, they get fixed REALLY fucking fast.
So, that removes the issue of "pain," since the animals don't die in pain, they die instantly or are otherwise rendered into a state wherein they don't feel pain.
(May 19, 2013 at 12:17 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I see. Apparently I took your post completely out of context and thought you meant vegetarianism in general and not the just "I'm more moral than you!" cunts. Sorry about that. lol
Think nothing of it, I admit my post might've been a touch rambling. I uh...I kinda get emotional about certain topics. Hence another reason why I said this guy has no read on me. I respect discourse, but I have no emotional patience for ideas that are patently false or unfounded being thrust forward in my face as if they are valid and right.
