RE: Men and Women equal? No, never.
May 22, 2013 at 2:06 pm
(This post was last modified: May 22, 2013 at 2:32 pm by Violet.)
(May 21, 2013 at 9:48 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Well, I did specify "Not related to my genitals." which is one reason I have less testosterone. That said, there are plenty of women who can grow beards. Especially older women. (And that terrifying woman from that."cooch-cooch-cooch!" Kitten video) Lol
It's true that the fastest men are faster than the fastest women, but if you picked one man and one woman off the street at random and raced them, either one of them could win.
You can get testosterone injections, and find yourself roughly identical to a cisgendered man. The only major physical difference between male and female humans is their hormones... genitals may be part of that, but the hormones themselves are the crux of the difference. Their bodies are not equal by nature, consider: why do transpeople want the bodies expected of their gender?
No, while the fastest men are faster than the fastest women... it is also that men are faster on average than women are on average. And stronger on average. Have less endurance on average, possibly... would have to reinvestigate.
(May 21, 2013 at 10:30 am)littleendian Wrote: Doesn't anybody else have the sneaking suspicion that a good share of the disagreements on this forum are actually due to ambiguous terms, such as "equal" as in "identical" or "equal" as in "of equal standing"...?
Semantics in general. Some of us have an obsession with seeing the argument constructed correctly before we begin the argument proper.
Well... one of us.
I could give yall a wonderful lecture on identity. But I don't figure more than a handful of people (who probably already get it) to care enough to read it.
(May 21, 2013 at 10:50 am)davidMC1982 Wrote: Those with a reasonable mind assume as much and seek clarification where necessary. Apparently, reasonable minds are in short supply.
Reasonable minds assume? That... would explain how people are justifying their arguments by saying 'any reasonable person (mind) would agree': to reason is to justify, to make an assumption of right(eous)ness, to apply a belief-NAY... a certainty of correctness.
Better to be unreasonable, surely.
(May 21, 2013 at 1:14 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I didnt say women are faster than the fastest men, did I? If you picked to people off the street, you have no idea what their physical fitness is. Sure, if they're both runners, the man is likely to win because male bodies are typically better for running.
If we race random people with equal participation between the sexes, and record the data between a great number of these sets... we will find that one set will win <however marginally or massively> the race <likelihood> more than the other set.
(May 21, 2013 at 1:46 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Because either could win. There's a world of difference beween 50-50 and 100-0.
And in what huge leap of "logic" converts that to women not being equal to men? So I shouldn't be allowed to vote or get whatever job I qualify for because a man can outrun me? Fuck you. What do you do, anyway? Stack shelves in Aldi?
More likely 45-55... wouldn't it be great to find this data?
Oh... logic doesn't have shit to do with whether you will or will not be hired for <irrelevant arbitration>. Relevant arbitrations on the other hand, such as experience with women as employees, a concern for significant periods of paid leave, and a social expectation of women, on the other hand... how is an employer to argue that which hasn't conformed to his experience?
Why would logic be of concern to any employer... ever?
(May 21, 2013 at 1:31 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: If you pick a 15 year old boy off the street, he's faster than most men you pit up against him too. Teenage boys are way more physically fit and faster than most adult men.
Fuck, did I ever say it was 50-50? Why the fuck are you such a fucking retard all the time? Is it not painful?
Maybe he's faster... but he's probably not taller. Height allows a slower person to move faster than a faster person
Observe... a man an inch tall can move a foot in half a second. That's fucking fast. But a man 1 foot tall can move 12 feet in two seconds. He's bigger, therefore travels further, despite moving overall more slowly compared to the smaller person. Winning a race isn't about how fast you move... it's about how *far* you move, and whether you can move that distance before the other guy.
(May 21, 2013 at 1:52 pm)ideologue08 Wrote: Fuck off that's the same logic as saying a rat could win against a lion, technically that's true, it could mofo.
I dunno man... rats are fast. Lions sleep the day away
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Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day