How to shut up people who are against abortion

[Tiberius]

So what if it's human? What's so special about that?

We generally protect the lives of humans with laws. That's what's special.

It's not an individual person, so why does it have more rights than the mother, who is a living individual person?

Interesting that you include the word "living" to describe the mother. Embryos are also alive.

Why is it suddenly OK to kill it if the mother was raped? Does that make the foetus less human to you?

No, and it's a hard scenario which I've struggled with for a long time. I'm still not happy, but given that the embryo was forced onto the mother unwillingly in an attack; possibly one of the worst attacks that can happen to a person, I do not believe she should be forced (again) to carry the result to birth. If she wants to, that is great, but I do not hold it against anyone who decides to get rid of a horrible reminder of an assault.

A born human being, for a start. With certain abilities. Disabled people keep their personhood because their inability to do certain things is due to a disability, not because they aren't people.

One could argue that embryos are at a disability because of their position in the womb. Given that you use the word "born" in your definition, there is no point in continuing the discussion of personhood, because that is the key thing that separates both our definitions. I doubt we'll ever agree on this.

But unwanted? That's where it becomes life-ruining. Having a child changes your whole life forever. It changes your body forever. It changes the way your mind works forever. Those all become incredibly negative changes if they were not welcome ones. Nobody should be forced into that.

Nobody is forced into it. Consensual sex has its consequences.

Still nope. Does it look remotely like a person to you?

It looks like a human embryo, which is what matters to me. It's a human. It has human DNA. Not only that, but it has its own individual DNA, and it's alive.