If Not Hell then what?

[The Reality Salesman01]

Reference material?

I don't know what material you want, but i'll assume your request had something to do with thinking I had an alternative definition. But, what I was referring to when I said "luck can easily be defined..." I was under the impression we were at least in agreement over the actual definition of the word, and was attempting to illustrate a more in depth explanation of how luck (as you defined) occurs. Seneca wrote- "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." This is not a definition, its an old saying that gives you a better understanding of the things attributed to luck, as it can be applied to every story you've told.

Not to day not in this ecconomy. Not with employees/5 digit weekly payrole, rent, fuel prices, insureance costs, rising supply equipment costs, and a declining market. where people want to pay less and get more across the board.

You've given a good description of negative circumstances. If an unlikely success, apparently coming from chance, happens to fall into any of these peoples laps, then it is certainly lucky. Your definition. But to understand that luck, you need to understand the variables and conditions. Once you understand the variables and conditions and they are not as unlikely as you thought, you have an explanation, and from there, you can stop calling it lucky, and you'd just have something really convenient that just doesn't happen all the time, there's nothing magical or transcendant about it.

those who depend on luck for their day to day expenses.

You're referring to people that have gambling problems. That's not at all what i've made any reference to.

If you still think it is possiable to luck your way into a business then put up everything you own and go for it. see what happens. Put your money where your mouth is.

Hmm...That's just a dare to gamble. Nobody said that luck was guranteed. It wouldn't luck if it could be depended on, could it?

I like to play games and wager from time to time, but I certainly wouldn't play with more than I was ok with losing. That's just irresponsible Drich.

It's not luck that keeps us in business.

Well, by your definition from Oxford's Dictionary, it certainly could keep you in business. Especially if you needed something that seemed unlikey, and then, apparently from chance, you got it. That would be quite lucky.

I don't like to use the word mirical because it has no meaning. That is why i directly attribute what has kept us going and growing for 10 years as the direct result of the full filled promises of God.

Hmm...Somehow I don't believe you.

I a/s/k for 'X' God gave me 'X'. I was faithful to what God gave me, then He gave me Y. I was faithful to X and Y and He gave me Z, and on and on and on.

Holy Fallicious-Reasoning Batman!!! Let's point out how you've failed to establish the source of 'X' before we move on to the rest of the alphabet...

First, you've managed to use circular logic to assert a cause that begs the question, then you've managed to over-look any alternatives for your recieving 'X' and simply affirmed your consequent that "God gave you 'X'. 100% Non sequitur. It would be wildly illogical for anyone to accept your conclusion.

These are things that have never been proved.

Take time to READ the defination I provided. They don't have to be proven. a Miracle is an unexplainable event with a positive outcome that has been attributed to God..

Wait a minute...I distinctly remember you saying...

I don't like to use the word mirical because it has no meaning. That is why i directly attribute what has kept us going and growing for 10 years as the direct result of the full filled promises of God.

Its jamming God into things you don't fully understand because you want it to be true. You sell yourself short here.

You can not possiable know that unless you can honestly evaluate each and every event that has kept this business going.

You're right! But so far, it fits pretty well Drich. But, simply jamming the gaps of knowledge cocerning contributing factors to your success with magic is not a valid explanation.

We've had checks from customers who owed us money Years and years prior show up when something major was due on the day it was due to the penny...

That's not even luck! We understand all of the variables so it didn't apparently come from chance. It came from your actions prior to! It was convenient timing, no doubt, but you were prepared for this opportunity when you provided the service. Had you not provided the service, they would not have given you any money! The money didn't just appear in your lap from a flash of light, there was a logical explanation for it. cause/effect-preparation/opportunity.

Stuff like this happens a few times a week. Not for a few weeks, but for 10 years.

Thanks for saving me the time. Since you did not change any details about these supposed acts of divine intervention from God, I will simply defer to my above explanation for all the many times a week this occurred and for all 10 years of it. Honestly, this sounds less and less like luck and more like common occurence.

Right now we need like 3K for to complete a project. two weeks ago out of the blue we were given 3 vinage soda machines (coke pepsi and RC cola), a cigarette machine, a modern pepsi machine, and a few old coke and gas station signs, As was writting the pervious paragraph I just got a text that a retailer is on the way to make a deal for all of it...

Wow Drich, that sure is lucky! As it appears to come from chance. Of course, the variables are there to be understood since the crap came from people, and not flashes of light and into your living room!

Again, One instance is luck, Hell I'll give you the first 100 times it happens is luck, but after 10's of thousands of events like this happen, on an on going basis for 10 or more years... We past luck a decade ago.

Now your are wildly overgeneralizing. You can't generalize from a large sample of events unless they are demonstrably similar. It's just more claims that are unfounded in evidence. That's a fallacy by the way...

Again this is only the business part. There is an impossiable marriage we worked through and an understanding of the Bible none of you have been able to shut down, without appealing to logical fallacy or personal attacks..

Your fallicious reasoning is enough for anyone to reject your claims. They are non sequitur. Your conclusions are not a reasonable inference from, or even related to, any evidence whatsoever. They are very bad arguments...Oh look here's another one coming up...

I tell you this because God has offered all of this to you as well. I am not anything special.

Loaded Language-Attempting to appeal to emotions, appeal to pity...Non sequitur.

I've grown bored of this, I see no need to entertain anymore of this irrational rant of yours. Till next time!