How to shut up people who are against abortion

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A fetus is distinctly different from a full-term newborn. I don't deny that a fetus is human, of course it is. A woman does not become pregnant with a cat or a salamander, but a human.

How does a being being human matter?

However, a fetus is incapable of sustaining its own life, in terms of having its own blood supply (meaning enough blood), getting nourishment, getting oxygen, etc., in terms of possessing the basic life systems enabling it to support and keep itself alive. This is deficient in comparison to a newborn that can breathe on its own, suckle and get food without inhaling and taking the food into its lungs. Hell, newborns even demonstrate they can move to reach a food source. Go to YouTube and search for "breast crawl." You'll find videos of newborns laid on their mother's stomachs crawling up her chest to her breasts and latching on to eat.

Really, you should just be honest, and say it this way: A newborn baby can survive for longer periods on its own, and isn't as likely to self-destruct. A newborn fetus cannot survive for as long a period on its own, and is more likely to self-destruct

In this sense, providing food for a newborn (breast or bottle) is very different than providing food for a severely premature infant, which requires medical intervention.

So whether it can eat/survive without 'medical intervention' is your basis for it not being a person? I feel badly for cripples under this system.

The earliest a fetus can be born and have even a 50/50 chance of survival is about 24 weeks gestation. Up to that point, there's nothing anyone can do, even the best neonatal doctors and hospitals in the world. In my view, up to this point the fetus is solely the mother's responsibility and burden. It is her decision to allow this life to grow and develop inside of her body, or not.

Why is it only up to this point? Is not a human of any stage prior to birth solely the responsibility of the potential mother? Is it not her decision to allow this parasite to grow and develop inside her body, and is it not her decision to decree how it shall exist her body, and on what terms it does so?

I'm all for the prevention of unwanted pregnancy. I say unwanted instead of unplanned, because an unplanned pregnancy isn't necessarily an unwanted one. I am not in favor of women using abortion as a form of birth control. This is almost impossible to police, though. Women who have multiple abortions thinking there are no consequences are mistaken, a woman's future fertility and ability to carry a pregnancy to term is effected by receiving multiple abortions.

If abortion isn't the most gloriously self-evident method of birth-control...

Sounds to me like you want for better education for parasite-infected peoples, and why would anyone be against that?

Want is an interesting subject... because the real question is this: who is it unwanted by? The grandparents might want it even if the mother doesn't, the friends might not want it even if the mother does, the father might not want it while the mother wants to gouge him for child support and live easy with something she wants, the nation might want it while the employers do not... it is a value placed upon the pregnancy, and it is different for everyone.

I'm all for doing what one will, according to what one wants, and for the desires of those not in control to be taken as counsel... to be considered or dismissed as you will. Aye, I'm a horrible person.

However, all forms of contraception have some percentage of failure. This means, even in cases where a woman has had a tubal ligation, there are some women who will still be able to get pregnant. Women get pregnant on every form of birth control, including IUD's (which often leads to miscarriage). We need better contraception. I think a very promising form is currently being developed. It's a shot for men that causes their testes to stop making sperm. It's still in development though.

Even if one uses absolutely no contraception, should not they be enabled to legally eject an unwanted tenet in their body? I mean, really... a good amount of sex is impromptu and/or unplanned, and that's just the nature of the beast. There are plenty of people who don't appreciate how condoms or hormone-pills make them feel, or how it affects their sex life... should they be disallowed abortion, especially when it's done well into a proto-human stage?

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I would. Adoption is a great thing.

And we love you for it, Tiberlicious Adoption is a wonderful thing indeed.

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