RE: the true basis of moral subjectivism?
May 28, 2013 at 8:51 am
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2013 at 8:53 am by dazzn.)
(May 28, 2013 at 5:10 am)littleendian Wrote:(May 26, 2013 at 6:24 pm)dazzn Wrote: As an initial point, I want to say that I don't believe moraliy exists. Nothing is "forbidden" and anything goes in this universe without restraint.I'm not sure about the universe you inhabit, but around here is far away from a "universe without restraint". I think you can look at everything and ultimately see that it all boils down to causality, so basically everything is constrained in the ultimate way (*) Of course there is always the paradox that I really have the sense of a free will... maybe that's a way to think about morality and mental processes in general, it's the struggle between forces and the strongest will express itself in the decision I take and my actions. Morality then would be the struggle between forces representing lower impulses and forces representing higher values, e.g. the overall well-being of me individually versus what my rationality tells me is the well-being of the majority.
(*) although someone with an understanding of quantum mechanics may correct me here. My laymans understanding is that it doesn't break causality itself but merely whether we can predict causality or not.
(May 27, 2013 at 10:26 am)dazzn Wrote: I don't believe in morals' existence. but this doesn't make me a sociopath. i don't see how it can. kindly expound as to how.What keeps you from raping and pillaging? I see two options:
(a) If it is a sense that this is wrong, then you have what I would call morals already.
(b) If it is because you fear the law then: Why is the law there? Because of the moral sense of the majority of citizens. So there's morality.
In both scenarios I think you might have to acknowledge that such as thing as morality does exist even if only in our heads.
who cares about the "majority"? why do their needs need accommodation?
as for your questions, conscience. i don't condone harm or ill will towards any group of persons.
(May 28, 2013 at 5:31 am)Ryantology Wrote:(June 8, 1970 at 8:37 am)dazzn Wrote: I don't believe in morals' existence. but this doesn't make me a sociopath. i don't see how it can. kindly expound as to how.I never implied that it made you a sociopath. I just think your understanding of morality is that it is strictly binary and I don't agree that it is.
binary? 1s and 0s aside, i said i believe the world is a free for all. anything goes, hence morality is redundant.
(May 28, 2013 at 5:14 am)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: Ooh, I remember now: I had a beautifully mocking response all gorgeous and prepared for you, and then I closed the computer without sending it. Oops.
Doesn't matter, it's self-evident, so
to me this read:
"my ego demands attention!!" the nature of youth is ever constant lol...